What would Martin Niemoller think about Arizona?

Originally Posted by classicman

So your point is moot.

If you say so... ALL of those legal experts, local officials, police chiefs, etc are opposed for political or financial reasons.

Just like all govt data is biased.

But you're not biased.

The Senate Democrats released a proposal for comprehensive immigration reform a few days ago.

It includes increase ICE funding for border patrol and drug interdiction, a controversial national biometric ID card for all workers and a tough pathway to citizenship.

Full proposal

The Republicans have called it DOA and have made it clear they wont support a proposal that includes providing a process for citizenship to current illegal immigrants in the country and dismissed it as amnesty.

They also dont like the national ID card (neither does the ACLU ) but have no problem requiring Hispanices in AZ to carry their immigration papers.

The last attempt at comprehensive immigration reform, the 2007 Kennedy-McCain Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act was a pretty good bill. Unfortunately, once McCain got the Republican nomination, he had to demonstrate his conservative credentials and backed away from his own bill and would not endorse it because of strong conservative opposition to the citizenship component of the bill.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

I agree with Griff here. We don't actually have an immigration problem. Rejiggering our immigration rules and their enforcement will not answer to the trouble we're having.

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Which is likely to improve the quality of Mexican restaurants throughout the continent.

Holy crap! We agree on two things in one post! We have three really good Mex places in our area now.

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Eleven percent unemployment statewide.

That is pretty rough. Is that as high as it has been or did it crest higher?

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Yeah, we've been Mexico's safety valve, giving the peasants one more option before boiling over and actually fixing their country.

A revolution on our Southern border may not be the ideal resolution to the immigration problem... It has been a long time coming though.

[classicman]

I like a lot of what I see in that REPAIR Proposal. The reality of it ever happening, not so much.

[classicman]

For redux who loves polls

Public Opinion Polls on Immigration

[classicman]

Cafferty Slams Obama and Dems For Their Response To Arizona Immigration Law

Originally Posted by classicman

For redux who loves polls

Public Opinion Polls on Immigration

I have said polls can be a valuable tool to assess public opinion.

As you recently commented to me...."dont put words in my mouth"

But public policy should be based on enforceable laws that can stand a constitutional test, not public opinion polls.

Originally Posted by classicman

Cafferty Slams Obama and Dems For Their Response To Arizona Immigration Law

Two of the most conservative governors, while avoiding the question of the constitutionality of the AZ law, have said it is bad public policy.

Bob McDonell, gov. of Virginia - "I’m concerned about the whole idea of carrying papers and always have to be able to prove your citizenship. That brings up shades of some other regimes that were not particularly helpful to democracy and civil rights."

Rick Perry, gov. of Texas - ""I fully recognize and support a state’s right and obligation to protect its citizens, but I have concerns with portions of the law passed in Arizona and believe it would not be the right direction for Texas,"

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Griff

That is pretty rough. Is that as high as it has been or did it crest higher?

Link

and here for the state of your choosing

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Redux

But public policy should be based on enforceable laws that can stand a constitutional test, not public opinion polls.

Not caring what the voters want seems to have been Washington's policy for some time now.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Not caring what the voters want seems to have been Washington's policy for some time now.

That may be the case, although I dont agree completely.

But that doesnt change the fact that polls should not be the basis for sound public policy.

[skysidhe]

Originally Posted by classicman

Link

and here for the state of your choosing

Those numbers are staggering! ( no pun intended )

On average, 10 people out of 100 are unemployed.

In March, the number of unemployed persons was little changed at 15.0 million,

[Spexxvet]

The illegal immigration from Mexico will not stop, and cannot be stopped, until Mexicans feel that there is more benefit to staying in Mexico than there is in illegally entering the US.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

That may be the case, although I dont agree completely.

But that doesnt change the fact that polls should not be the basis for sound public policy.

You have said that twice now. Who said that polls should be a basis for ANYTHING?
Please cite, thanks.

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by Redux

That may be the case, although I dont agree completely.

But that doesnt change the fact that polls should not be the basis for sound public policy.

So true!

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

The illegal immigration from Mexico will not stop, and cannot be stopped, until Mexicans feel that there is more benefit to staying in Mexico than there is in illegally entering the US.

I think there will always be a benefit to entering the US for people from any country in a similar situation to Mexico or just any that is more impoverished than the US. But as this video (posted a long time ago by xob i think) shows the US cannot handle the influx of even the legal immigrants let alone those coming here illegally.

Oh and this was from 2006