Times are tough all over - Page 13

TheMercenary · 10-14-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cicero

Yes it should. Agreed. But daddy is in jail on drug charges so maybe it's impossible, because daddy is a dumb ass. Kids should not suffer because of the actions of their parents. So uh would you like for them to starve and get no healthcare or education, is this what you are suggesting? Not that this isn't happening or anything. Hey let's turn into Africa and have non profits come in to spread christianity and food with no sustainable plan for the future. That sounds fantastic.

What is your plan again?

My plan. You should have a license before you are allowed to be pregnant. If your dumb ass hooked up with a drug addict then maybe you should starve, but your kid should go to someone who can actually care for it. Non--profits can not save you.

Sundae · 10-14-2008, 03:57 PM

I'll bet you every country has approximately the same percentage of people who could work but don't.

I think work ethics come across in parent's attitude and example, whatever other help they have been offered. I was raised within the Welfare State, which to US eyes should have encouraged everyone of my generation to be a deadbeat scrounger. We're not. The majority of people will always want the freedom of making their own way through life.

You brought your children up in what I see as a we-might-rescue-you-when-you-have-nothing-left system (my bias and I admit it) but they learned the same work ethic I did. And you are probably their hero the same way my Daddy is mine, except you have more money.

If you love your children you will prepare them for the future, whether that means setting them to pick rubbish at 10 years old, working to earn money for them, or taking shifts so you barely see your wife for the best part of ten years. And you take what you feel is your due, whether it's the patch of earth your own father worked, food stamps that gall you or the free schooling that every family is offered.

dar512 · 10-14-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

You should have a license before you are allowed to be pregnant.

You think the government is qualified to decide who should be allowed to be pregnant? Do you really want to give that power to the state?

BigV · 10-14-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dar512

You think the government is qualified to decide who should be allowed to be pregnant? Do you really want to give that power to the state?

Move to China.

TheMercenary · 10-14-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dar512

You think the government is qualified to decide who should be allowed to be pregnant? Do you really want to give that power to the state?

No, but stupid rhetorical questions get stupid rhetorical answers.

TheMercenary · 10-14-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV

Move to China.

Fuck China. There is a perfect example of why communism has failed the people. Now were going to get Obama? Maybe China has already moved here.

BigV · 10-14-2008, 04:51 PM

A stupid rhetorical question is all a stupid rhetorical statement deserves.

dar512 · 10-14-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

No, but stupid rhetorical questions get stupid rhetorical answers.

Well I think it's great that you can admit that some of your posts are stupid.

Now if you can just give us a hint on sorting out which is which.

You see my point here, right?

TheMercenary · 10-14-2008, 04:54 PM

You can respond as you deem fit. I shall do the same, wtf, you think this is China or something?

TheMercenary · 10-14-2008, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dar512

Well I think it's great that you can admit that some of your posts are stupid.

Now if you can just give us a hint on sorting out which is which.

You see my point here, right?

That was a pretty stupid statement on your part, but hey, that's cool.

dar512 · 10-14-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Fuck China. There is a perfect example of why communism has failed the people. Now were going to get Obama? Maybe China has already moved here.

There's a link or two (hundred) missing from your chain of logic. Could you fill in, please?

TheMercenary · 10-14-2008, 04:59 PM

http://www.cellar.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=184

Cicero · 10-14-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

My plan. You should have a license before you are allowed to be pregnant. If your dumb ass hooked up with a drug addict then maybe you should starve, but your kid should go to someone who can actually care for it. Non--profits can not save you.

Srsly. I was asking for your plan so you don't have to pay for anything. Which seems to be the moral bottom line for you. Hey let's work it out so you specifically won't have to pay for anything ever...mmm...K?

Really, what is your other suggestion. It wasn't a rhetorical question. If people aren't doing it right how would you have it done, outside of the ridiculous idea of licenseing. (in which case assholes would also have to get one) Scary ain't it?

TheMercenary · 10-14-2008, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cicero

Srsly. I was asking for your plan so you don't have to pay for anything. Which seems to be the moral bottom line for you. Hey let's work it out so you specifically won't have to pay for anything ever...mmm...K?

Really, what is your other suggestion. It wasn't a rhetorical question. If people aren't doing it right how would you have it done, outside of the ridiculous idea of licenseing. (in which case assholes would also have to get one) Scary ain't it?

Ok. No it is not that I don't want to pay anything myself. Everyone should pay. All people should pay across the board the same amount as a percent of the income they earn. Pick a number. Say 20%. All people should pay 20% of their income into the system to pay for those that cannot. What we have here on the otherhand, is people driving up in their BMW's to by formula with food stamps. We have generations of people who have learned that they should neither contribute or work. It is a large and complicated subject for sure. But taxing people who worked hard to get ahead and sacrificed to make good for themselves and families should not have to carry the complete burden. Spread it out. A mini VAT tax would help as well for all goods, except maybe food. I don't have all the answers but what we have now is not working and what Obama and McCain have put forth are not solutions either.

HungLikeJesus · 10-14-2008, 05:38 PM

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Tod: You know, Mrs. Buckman, you need a license to buy a dog, to drive a car - hell, you even need a license to catch a fish. But they'll let any butt-reaming asshole be a father.

10-14-2008, 03:57 PM	#182
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	I'll bet you every country has approximately the same percentage of people who could work but don't. I think work ethics come across in parent's attitude and example, whatever other help they have been offered. I was raised within the Welfare State, which to US eyes should have encouraged everyone of my generation to be a deadbeat scrounger. We're not. The majority of people will always want the freedom of making their own way through life. You brought your children up in what I see as a we-might-rescue-you-when-you-have-nothing-left system (my bias and I admit it) but they learned the same work ethic I did. And you are probably their hero the same way my Daddy is mine, except you have more money. If you love your children you will prepare them for the future, whether that means setting them to pick rubbish at 10 years old, working to earn money for them, or taking shifts so you barely see your wife for the best part of ten years. And you take what you feel is your due, whether it's the patch of earth your own father worked, food stamps that gall you or the free schooling that every family is offered. __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

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BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	A stupid rhetorical question is all a stupid rhetorical statement deserves. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

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TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	http://www.cellar.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=184 __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

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