Stuff I don't know - Page 13

jimhelm · 09-28-2012, 04:02 PM

I'm scared. call a pro.

BigV · 09-28-2012, 04:16 PM

one vote pro.

glatt · 09-28-2012, 06:10 PM

How hard can it be? Of course, if you make a mistake, the house will blow up. I know the urge to do it yourself, but that's not something I would do.

ZenGum · 09-28-2012, 06:10 PM

Yeah, just this once, hiring a pro for a few hundred bucks might be a good idea.

Like with a car - I'll fool with the body work and minor fittings, and on older cars even have a go at the engine, but I always got a pro to fix the brakes. Screw them up and I could die.

glatt · 09-28-2012, 06:15 PM

Hah! Brakes are super easy. I'll do brakes. But I'm afraid of gas pipes. I have a hard enough time with water pipes. Gas is under less pressure, but for God's sake man, it's gas!

xoxoxoBruce · 09-29-2012, 02:50 PM

It's not very difficult, iron pipe up through the floor, a gas cock(valve), then standard flex gas stove supply so you can hook it up then move the stove in place, and a drop for water trap at the stove or below the floor.

The is very low pressure so you can check for leaks with soup bubbles or a match. I'd recommend the soap.

Now, here's where it can get tricky. You've got three gas eaters, furnace, stove and dryer. Each one has a BTU rating, which requires a certain amount of gas.
The pipe from the stove to the dryer has to supply enough gas so the dryer doesn't run short and flame out.
The pipe from the furnace to the stove has to carry enough to supply the stove AND the dryer.
The pipe into the furnace has to supply the furnace AND the stove AND the dryer.
That's with all three running balls out,(burners & oven on the stove) plus a little to spare.

Since you can't do much with the pressure, it's pretty much down to volume(pipe size). There's a very good chance the guy who installed the piping took that into account, as he did leave a stub for a stove. So unless you bought an outrageous gas hog stove that uses way more than normal, you're probably good.

I'm working on the assumption that when you say, " I called someone to extend the gas service...", it was a pro and not your buddy's niece's boyfriend. Also that the gas company inspected the work, which most require... if they know.

I don't want to freak you out about doing the install, just make you aware of all the players. This may have been clear as mud, but it covers the ground.

DanaC · 09-29-2012, 04:00 PM

Recently in the UK a house blew up and took half the street with it, killing a little boy that was inside. The guy who fitted the gas boiler is on a manslaughter charge.

Don't mess with gas stuff. Get a professional.

BigV · 09-29-2012, 05:49 PM

Thanks all, sincerely. The decision has been made in favor of DIY. This is likely to surprise no one, except perhaps the other people on my half of the block. Then again, they got an eyefull of me every day for a few weeks when I put the roof on awhile back. I intend to keep the roof on through this project.

A new DIY thread with a construction photojournal to come. Unless you hear a boom followed by sirens.

At the moment, I have the pipes measured, cut, and threaded. The gas to the house has been turned off at the meter. I've just taken a break for lunch (prepared by Twil, yum!) and now I return to work.

I'll check in as I can. I expect the project to be done by dinner time. There's no hot water until I'm done. See you all soon.

footfootfoot · 09-29-2012, 07:04 PM

I usually see Ts close to the tank and individual copper lines to the various appliances. Never seen appliances in sequence

xoxoxoBruce · 09-30-2012, 12:42 AM

That's for propane, natural gas is often sequenced if it's an efficient layout.

footfootfoot · 09-30-2012, 08:55 AM

Right. It's been decades since I lived anywhere with natural gas. "...turned off at the meter..." should have been a clue.

ZenGum · 09-30-2012, 06:38 PM

Heck, move to somewhere with Coal Seam Gas and draw it straight out of your tap water.

Lamplighter · 10-01-2012, 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigV

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At the moment, I have the pipes measured, cut, and threaded. The gas to the house has been turned off at the meter. I've just taken a break for lunch (prepared by Twil, yum!) and now I return to work.

I'll check in as I can. I expect the project to be done by dinner time. There's no hot water until I'm done. See you all soon.

I hope V has researched the different kinds of "pipes".
e.g., Steel vs black iron, especially the part about leaks at the connections, etc.

toranokaze · 10-03-2012, 12:31 AM

Is Scotland a real country?

infinite monkey · 10-03-2012, 07:24 AM

I suppose. I mean, we let Canada be a country.

Kidding. I kid.

09-28-2012, 04:02 PM	#181
jimhelm a beautiful fool Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 39.939705 Posts: 4,504	I'm scared. call a pro. __________________ There's a Shadow just behind me. Shrouding every step I take. Making every promise empty, pointing every finger at me. _tool

09-28-2012, 04:16 PM	#182
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	one vote pro. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

09-28-2012, 06:10 PM	#184
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Yeah, just this once, hiring a pro for a few hundred bucks might be a good idea. Like with a car - I'll fool with the body work and minor fittings, and on older cars even have a go at the engine, but I always got a pro to fix the brakes. Screw them up and I could die. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

09-29-2012, 02:50 PM	#186
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	It's not very difficult, iron pipe up through the floor, a gas cock(valve), then standard flex gas stove supply so you can hook it up then move the stove in place, and a drop for water trap at the stove or below the floor. The is very low pressure so you can check for leaks with soup bubbles or a match. I'd recommend the soap. Now, here's where it can get tricky. You've got three gas eaters, furnace, stove and dryer. Each one has a BTU rating, which requires a certain amount of gas. The pipe from the stove to the dryer has to supply enough gas so the dryer doesn't run short and flame out. The pipe from the furnace to the stove has to carry enough to supply the stove AND the dryer. The pipe into the furnace has to supply the furnace AND the stove AND the dryer. That's with all three running balls out,(burners & oven on the stove) plus a little to spare. Since you can't do much with the pressure, it's pretty much down to volume(pipe size). There's a very good chance the guy who installed the piping took that into account, as he did leave a stub for a stove. So unless you bought an outrageous gas hog stove that uses way more than normal, you're probably good. I'm working on the assumption that when you say, " I called someone to extend the gas service...", it was a pro and not your buddy's niece's boyfriend. Also that the gas company inspected the work, which most require... if they know. I don't want to freak you out about doing the install, just make you aware of all the players. This may have been clear as mud, but it covers the ground. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-29-2012, 05:49 PM	#188
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	Thanks all, sincerely. The decision has been made in favor of DIY. This is likely to surprise no one, except perhaps the other people on my half of the block. Then again, they got an eyefull of me every day for a few weeks when I put the roof on awhile back. I intend to keep the roof on through this project. A new DIY thread with a construction photojournal to come. Unless you hear a boom followed by sirens. At the moment, I have the pipes measured, cut, and threaded. The gas to the house has been turned off at the meter. I've just taken a break for lunch (prepared by Twil, yum!) and now I return to work. I'll check in as I can. I expect the project to be done by dinner time. There's no hot water until I'm done. See you all soon. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

09-28-2012, 06:10 PM	#183
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	How hard can it be? Of course, if you make a mistake, the house will blow up. I know the urge to do it yourself, but that's not something I would do.

09-28-2012, 06:15 PM	#185
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Hah! Brakes are super easy. I'll do brakes. But I'm afraid of gas pipes. I have a hard enough time with water pipes. Gas is under less pressure, but for God's sake man, it's gas!

09-29-2012, 07:04 PM	#189
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	I usually see Ts close to the tank and individual copper lines to the various appliances. Never seen appliances in sequence __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

09-30-2012, 12:42 AM	#190
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	That's for propane, natural gas is often sequenced if it's an efficient layout. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-30-2012, 08:55 AM	#191
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	Right. It's been decades since I lived anywhere with natural gas. "...turned off at the meter..." should have been a clue. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

09-30-2012, 06:38 PM	#192
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Heck, move to somewhere with Coal Seam Gas and draw it straight out of your tap water. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

10-03-2012, 12:31 AM	#194
toranokaze I'm still a jerk Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Little Mexico Posts: 1,817	Is Scotland a real country? __________________ "Without deviation from the norm progress is not possible." - Frank Zappa It is the ignorance of ignorance that lead to the death of knowledge The Virgin Mary does not weep for her son, for he is in paradise. She weeps for the world , for we are in suffering.

10-03-2012, 07:24 AM	#195
infinite monkey Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 13,002	I suppose. I mean, we let Canada be a country. Kidding. I kid.

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