SCOTUS Grants Guantanamo Prisoners Habeas Corpus

[lookout123]

only immoral people would fall for that glatt. don't believe me? ask flaja.

[classicman]

What were we talking about again??? Did anyone find a coin yet to flip?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by flaja

Where in the Constitution does it expressly say that legal due process rights are given only to U.S. citizens and not to anyone else who is subject to U.S. law?

What proof do you have that only citizens are included in We the People and that the expression “no person” in the 5th Amendment means “no citizen”? None. You have no such proof because no such proof exists. You have been shown time and time again that legal due process rights are and have been extended to non-citizens that are subject to U.S. law. You are either too dense to see or too obstinate to admit that you are flat wrong. You are not here to discuss, but rather to argue. You are little more than a bully.

BS. You have no proof either.

What proof do you have that only non-citizens are included in We the People and that the expression “no person” in the 5th Amendment means “no citizen”? None. You have no such proof because no such proof exists. You have been shown time and time again that legal due process rights are and have been extended to citizens only that are subject to U.S. law. You are either too dense to see or too obstinate to admit that you are flat wrong. You are not here to discuss, but rather to argue. You are little more than a bully.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by flaja

What have your values and your family to do with legal due process rights for non-citizens? By denying these rights to non-citizens you make torture a legal option.

BS.

That is a jump you made to make your political points and show your displeasure at current policy and previous history. My values and my family have nothing to do with this discussion. You are nothing more than a dense bully.

[Ibby]

Nobody has answered this yet.

If the people at Gitmo are not protected by the constitution 'cuz they arent citizens
and arent protected by the geneva convention cause they arent soldiers

then what law ARE they protected under? none?
thats bull.

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I am still waiting for you to cite where the United States Constitution applies to all people of the world who are not citizens of the United States.

TheMercenary was expected to obtain an education. TheMercenary did not even attend college even though it was paid for by his military service. Now he is a Constitutional expert?

Constitutional guarantees apply to all people within American jurisdiction. Citizens and non-citizens alike. Whereas some laws apply differently, still, Constitutional guarantees apply to all.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

You are not here to discuss, but rather to argue. You are little more than a bully.

TheMercenary - due to minimal education - routinely uses bully tactics. When he cannot defend himself, as any bully would do, TheMercenary then attacks the poster. The bully here is TheMercenary - who also must be told by extremist talk show hosts how to think.

Why not just quote from the Constitution? Oh. TheMercenary cannot. TheMercenary just knows without reading from the Constitution. He knows non-citizens have no rights only because a political agenda told him so.

Where is that Constitutional phrase that says only citizens have rights? Oh. No such phrase exists except where extremists invent both new legal principals and mythical enemies.

Why are most all Guantanamo prisoner released? Because most all prisoners in Guantanamo - also victims of torture - were guilty of nothing. Now that judicial review must apply, no charges ever existed. TheMercenary also knows this is not true because he was told how to think. How will he prove himself. He attacks other - even accusing others of being a bully when the bully here is TheMercenary. So, TheMercenary - where is quote that proves your point. You have none which is why you attack the messenger - you dumbfuck.

Again, TheMercenary demonstrates why he has no college degree. Not smart enough. Let's see. With military service, he had a free ride and still could not get educated.

Where does TheMercenary cite a source? Mental midget supporters don't need to. TheMercenary tell us how we must think. TheMercenary says any foreign national can be held in America jails for life without judicial review at any time. That is TheMercenary's interpretation of the Constitution.

[classicman]

I'm just asking here, but still...

If these people at Guantanamo were all innocent, then why did we put them there??? and tortured them so we could???? What was the point of it again?? Just for fun? For what?

[Clodfobble]

Fear.

[classicman]

Oh BS - so we round up a bunch of nobodies and torture them because we are afraid? Sorry, I think not. There had to be some reason - probably not a good one, if there is one, but still...

[xoxoxoBruce]

Not suffer fear, instill fear.

[deadbeater]

Ok let me ask a hypothetical. Let's say that president Barack Obama turned to Barack Mugabe and declared John McCain an 'illegal combatant', saying he discovered 'classified evidence' that McCain is a plant of the terrorist wing of the Vietnemese Comunist party. If Bush administration rules continued under president Obama, McCain has virtually no defense. His citizenship is stripped without due process, and he is sent to Guantanamo Bay with the rest, without a habeas corpus hearing. Would the pro-no due processers be happy then?

Or have it the other way around.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Sounds good to me.

[lookout123]

Wouldn't work. McCain is white. and has money. and has already been tortured worse than they do at Gitmo. so he'd probably just sit around playing cards with the guards while he waits for his next campaign to start.

[classicman]

wait! I thought the American POW's weren't tortured.

[xoxoxoBruce]

POWs aren't.