London Bombing - Page 13

mrnoodle · 07-13-2005, 11:16 AM

Incidentally, I expect that when muslim culture finally breaks the chains of its extremist leadership, it will be because muslim women. The women are the ones with the most to gain from our efforts in the mideast, and they will play the most crucial role in ensuring that their children don't share their fathers' hatred.

but they can't do it until we kill the people holding them down.

jaguar · 07-13-2005, 12:39 PM

not in change of what exactly and where?
Because killing leaders and replacing them with US friendly ones has such a history of success in the ME and all.

07-13-2005, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

8. Sad, but, ooooh! (that's meant as a sarcastic sort of "ooooh")

Looking at things without doing math I think that the percentages are very different when you look at Christians:Christian Terrorists vs. Muslims:Muslim Terrorists.

The body counts sure as hell are different.

How quickly they forget:

Oklahoma City bombing carried out by whacko Christian sect member, Timothy McV. 164 deaths including children

Jonestown - 909 dead thanks to another whacko Christian sect whose leader commanded all to die and die they did.

And then there was whacko Waco and the Branch Davidians - 74 dead

You were saying?

wolf · 07-13-2005, 01:23 PM

Timothy McVeigh was not a Christian Terrorist. He had some contacts within the Aryan Identity Movement, but that was about as far as that went.

The people at Waco were killed by the BATF, in a standoff that likely wouldn't have happened if the BATF hadn't been actively attempting to provoke the whackos. The Branch Davidians did not engage in terrorist activities, even if they did attempt to isolate themselves from society at large, they weren't strapping bombs to their children and putting them on school busses.

Ditto for the People's Temple. Crazy Cult, but not terrorists.

In your last two examples, few outside of the cult members died ... Congressman Leo Ryan and the folks at the airport that Jim Jones, in his paranoia, sent people to kill which also triggered the koolaid distribution, and the BATF agents at Waco were fired on as they were attacking the compound.

And the numbers still aren't adding up.

07-13-2005, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Timothy McVeigh was not a Christian Terrorist. He had some contacts within the Aryan Identity Movement, but that was about as far as that went.

He was a member of some whacko Christian group. Forget the name, but I posted it back somewhere in this interminable thread.

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Originally Posted by wolf

Ditto for the People's Temple. Crazy Cult, but not terrorists.

900 murder/suicides is terrifying enough for me. Not all those folks went tamely to the koolaide pitcher. Some were forced.

wolf · 07-13-2005, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by marichiko

He was a member of some whacko Christian group. Forget the name, but I posted it back somewhere in this interminable thread.

No, he wasn't See paragraph 2.

07-13-2005, 02:15 PM

Aryan Nations, formerly of Hayden Lake, Idaho, was a center of Christian Identity thought. The Christian Identity movement, which identifies whites as God's chosen and encourages the faithful to follow the biblical example of Phineas by becoming instruments of God's vengeance.

Sounds like inspiration by a whacko Christian outfit to me, but we can agree to disagree if you like.

mrnoodle · 07-13-2005, 02:44 PM

If he thought Donald Duck had told him to do it, that wouldn't make him part of a Disney movement.

Happy Monkey · 07-13-2005, 02:50 PM

Find and replace:
Donald Duck -> Allah
Disney -> Muslim

mrnoodle · 07-13-2005, 03:50 PM

...and you get two very different things. Mohammed is a bit higher up the ladder than Phineas (who the hell?) or Donald, as far as influence and number of people willing to make bottle rockets out of themselves.

I thought we had already established that not all Muslims were bombers. Why are we still repeating it?

xoxoxoBruce · 07-13-2005, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

Ok--(I don't belong here,~~snip) ....

Bullshit.

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Originally Posted by Brianna

Yes, he's one man. No, he's not inclusive of the entire region/religion. Don't insult me. But he IS completely unwilling to "adopt" this country as his own------so, why the fuck is he HERE?????*

*I've the answer, but it's waaaay off the thread.

Now back to your arguement....

Not off thread. That's what we need, personal knowledge of what and why these people feel. Even if it's just your opinion from personal contact.

dar512 · 07-14-2005, 01:38 PM

Anyone read the news this morning about the bombers? Sounds like three, at least, were middle-class young men that got recruited on a visit home to Pakistan. Sounds like all of these men had prospects. One was a newlywed with a daughter.

I just don't get it.

Queen of the Ryche · 07-14-2005, 02:14 PM

Talk about religous extremism - what else would convince a promising 18 or 22 year old that they need to blow themselves up for the good of their cause? Genius. Sign me up.

Troubleshooter · 07-14-2005, 02:25 PM

That's the funny thing about religion, it doesn't require anything to make sense except conceptually and is based on authoritative revelatory doctrine.

Once more for clarity's sake. <b>Religion doesn't have to make sense.</b>

wolf · 07-15-2005, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Queen of the Ryche

Talk about religous extremism - what else would convince a promising 18 or 22 year old that they need to blow themselves up for the good of their cause?

If we could figure that out, and put it towards some useful purpose, you know, like selling blue jeans or cars or something, we could make a goddamn mint.

07-13-2005, 11:16 AM	#181
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	Incidentally, I expect that when muslim culture finally breaks the chains of its extremist leadership, it will be because muslim women. The women are the ones with the most to gain from our efforts in the mideast, and they will play the most crucial role in ensuring that their children don't share their fathers' hatred. but they can't do it until we kill the people holding them down. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

07-13-2005, 12:39 PM	#182
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	not in change of what exactly and where? Because killing leaders and replacing them with US friendly ones has such a history of success in the ME and all. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain Last edited by jaguar; 07-13-2005 at 12:41 PM.

07-13-2005, 01:23 PM	#184
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Timothy McVeigh was not a Christian Terrorist. He had some contacts within the Aryan Identity Movement, but that was about as far as that went. The people at Waco were killed by the BATF, in a standoff that likely wouldn't have happened if the BATF hadn't been actively attempting to provoke the whackos. The Branch Davidians did not engage in terrorist activities, even if they did attempt to isolate themselves from society at large, they weren't strapping bombs to their children and putting them on school busses. Ditto for the People's Temple. Crazy Cult, but not terrorists. In your last two examples, few outside of the cult members died ... Congressman Leo Ryan and the folks at the airport that Jim Jones, in his paranoia, sent people to kill which also triggered the koolaid distribution, and the BATF agents at Waco were fired on as they were attacking the compound. And the numbers still aren't adding up. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

07-13-2005, 02:44 PM	#188
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	If he thought Donald Duck had told him to do it, that wouldn't make him part of a Disney movement. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

07-13-2005, 02:50 PM	#189
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Find and replace: Donald Duck -> Allah Disney -> Muslim __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

07-13-2005, 02:15 PM	#187
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	Aryan Nations, formerly of Hayden Lake, Idaho, was a center of Christian Identity thought. The Christian Identity movement, which identifies whites as God's chosen and encourages the faithful to follow the biblical example of Phineas by becoming instruments of God's vengeance. Sounds like inspiration by a whacko Christian outfit to me, but we can agree to disagree if you like.

07-13-2005, 03:50 PM	#190
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	...and you get two very different things. Mohammed is a bit higher up the ladder than Phineas (who the hell?) or Donald, as far as influence and number of people willing to make bottle rockets out of themselves. I thought we had already established that not all Muslims were bombers. Why are we still repeating it? __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

07-14-2005, 01:38 PM	#192
dar512 dar512 is now Pete Zicato Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago suburb Posts: 4,968	Anyone read the news this morning about the bombers? Sounds like three, at least, were middle-class young men that got recruited on a visit home to Pakistan. Sounds like all of these men had prospects. One was a newlywed with a daughter. I just don't get it. __________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." -- Friedrich Schiller

07-14-2005, 02:14 PM	#193
Queen of the Ryche is fleeing the scene Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Beautiful CO Posts: 1,510	Talk about religous extremism - what else would convince a promising 18 or 22 year old that they need to blow themselves up for the good of their cause? Genius. Sign me up. __________________ Once, in an interview, Chuck Norris admitted that he was not the most awesome thing ever. He declined to elaborate; but I believe we all know that he was referring to the existence of chocolate covered bacon. I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.

07-14-2005, 02:25 PM	#194
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	That's the funny thing about religion, it doesn't require anything to make sense except conceptually and is based on authoritative revelatory doctrine. Once more for clarity's sake. <b>Religion doesn't have to make sense.</b> __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

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