Impeding changes to our Health Care system

[TheMercenary]

And the elephant in the Dems Room shows it's ugly head...

Democrats would kill healthcare over abortion

WASHINGTON, March 4 (Reuters) - A dozen House of Representatives Democrats opposed to abortion are willing to kill President Barack Obama's healthcare reform plan unless it satisfies their demand for language barring the procedure, Representative Bart Stupak said on Thursday.

"Yes. We're prepared to take responsibility," Stupak said on ABC's "Good Morning America" when asked if he and his 11 Democratic allies were willing to accept the consequences for bringing down healthcare reform over abortion.

"Let's face it. I want to see healthcare. But we're not going to bypass the principles of belief that we feel strongly about," he said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0421749120100304

[TheMercenary]

The real costs of Healthcare.

Then, in the Journal's unsigned editorial, is this gem:

No one in the political class has even tried to refute Mr. Ryan's arguments, though he made them directly to the president and his allies, no doubt because they are irrefutable. If Democrats are willing to ignore overwhelming public opposition to ObamaCare and pass it anyway, then what's a trifling dispute over a couple of trillion dollars?

At his press conference yesterday, Mr. Obama claimed that "my proposal would bring down the cost of healthcare for millions—families, businesses and the federal government." He said it is "fully paid for" and "brings down our deficit by up to $1 trillion over the next two decades." Never before has a vast new entitlement been sold on the basis of fiscal responsibility, and one reason ObamaCare is so unpopular is that Americans understand the contradiction between untold new government subsidies and claims of spending restraint. They know a Big Con when they hear one.

Any bill that counts 10 years of taxes but only six years of spending as a way to bring down the deficit is dishonest.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/mary-kat...y-on-cost.html

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The real costs of Healthcare.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/mary-kat...y-on-cost.html

The unsigned () partisan opinion column doesnt quite have it right.

Most of the spending costs dont begin until the fourth year when the Exchanges would kick-in to cover those 30+ milliion currently w/o insurance. It also ignores spending cuts, like the $150 billion cut to MA providers.

IMO, the only questionable data in the CBO analysis of the long-term budgetary impact is the anticipated savings resulting from greater efficiencies. The tax and spending data is pretty straight forward and unambiguous.

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by Redux

The unsigned () partisan opinion column doesnt quite have it right.

Most of the spending costs dont begin until the fourth year when the Exchanges would kick-in to cover those 30+ milliion currently w/o insurance. It also ignores spending cuts, like the $150 billion cut to MA providers.

IMO, the only questionable data in the CBO analysis of the long-term budgetary impact is the anticipated savings resulting from greater efficiencies. The tax and spending data is pretty straight forward and unambiguous.

Oooo! You said a nasty word - CBO. We all know they're a group of commie sympathizers - from the GUBMENT!

[TheMercenary]

Sam I wouldn't go to that extent, but they are an in-put : out-put organization. They take whatever data they are given and make an estimation of it. They don't factor in many parts of the equation, only the data they are given. That being said it can all look rosey based on the data they are given.

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Sam I wouldn't go to that extent, but they are an in-put : out-put organization. They take whatever data they are given and make an estimation of it.

So let me see if I have this right. Facts lie because they are only facts.

Can I quote you?

[TheMercenary]

The president and the two congressional leaders are so blinded by their
ideology, so bullheaded in accomplishing a radical transformation of
health care, that they've discarded the common sense and instinct for
self-preservation that usually governs politicians' actions. Instead,
this triumvirate makes rationalizations for support of a proposal that's
been DOA almost from its inception.

Yet all three Democratic leaders are taking a calculated gamble: if they
can impose govern-run health care, they'll establish the framework for
Democratic dominance for years to come, even if that means short-term
election losses. Once government-run health care is a fait accompli, all
three believe practical minded Americans will switch from outright
opposition to trying to "improve" the government-run health care model,
similar to what Americans have done for decades with failing public
school systems.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/why-oba...t-quit-pushing
-health-care-reform/

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The president and the two congressional leaders are so blinded by their
ideology, so bullheaded in accomplishing a radical transformation of
health care, that they've discarded the common sense and instinct for
self-preservation that usually governs politicians' actions. Instead,
this triumvirate makes rationalizations for support of a proposal that's
been DOA almost from its inception.

Yet all three Democratic leaders are taking a calculated gamble: if they
can impose govern-run health care, they'll establish the framework for
Democratic dominance for years to come, even if that means short-term
election losses. Once government-run health care is a fait accompli, all
three believe practical minded Americans will switch from outright
opposition to trying to "improve" the government-run health care model,
similar to what Americans have done for decades with failing public
school systems.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/why-oba...t-quit-pushing
-health-care-reform/

You asked me to point out when you post partisan opinion links as I noted that you do repeatedly.

Bingo! Pajama Media.

The ones who last year hired Joe the Plumber as a Mid East correspondent.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

You asked me to point out when you post partisan opinion links as I noted that you do repeatedly.

You must be thinking of classic. I don't believe I ever asked for your assistance.

[classicman]

Don't you dare even mention my name - either of you.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

Don't you dare even mention my name - either of you.

Classicman.

Let the flames begin.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by classicman

Don't you dare even mention my name - either of you.

My only point was that I never asked for this policy wankers assistance on anything.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

My only point was that I never asked for this policy wankers assistance on anything.

My point was that you post more partisan links than anyone...even as you deny it and tell me to "prove it"... and I will keep pointing them out to prove it.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

My point was that you post more partisan links than anyone...even as you deny it and tell me to "prove it"... and I will keep pointing them out to prove it.

As long as you are ok with me pointing out you're a Hack for the Demoncratic party and Obama propaganda machine I am cool with it...

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

As long as you are ok with me pointing out you're a Hack for the Demoncratic party and Obama propaganda machine I am cool with it...

Come on, dude.

Dont talk about propaganda machine when you are still insisting that it is Obama "lies and propaganda" to use the same unemployment standards as every previous president for the last 25+ years. You continue to make a fool out of yourself on this one, since you wont let it go and continue to insist its "propaganda" to use the accepted official figures.

And still posting opinions on "government take-over of health care" and "socialism"...from sources like Joe the Plumber's "Pajama Media" Group.

Anytime you want to stop flooding the threads with outside partisan opinions (and claim they, and you, are not partisan), we can begin to have honest discussions here.