Government Shut Down

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by Adak

That "wacko" was Obama, and no one else. Before he leaves office, he will have increased our national debt TWICE the amount of ALL THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS COMBINED.

[b]

Think about that.

We did think about that the last time you posted it, and we found that it was not adjusted for inflation. That makes it extremely dishonest.

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by Adak

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Any Commander-In-Chief, who refuses to give the veterans of foreign wars respect, is VERY questionable!
Any Commander-In-Chief, who refuses to allow veterans of foreign wars, access to their OWN war memorial for political gamesmanship, is an utter ass-wipe!
If Obama was a REAL Commander-In-Chief, he would apologize to those vets, and personally lead them around the memorial, in a return visit.
But he won't of course.

I had heard about the vets at the WWII Memorial, but had not followed the news.
So, when I came across this Washington Post pic, I thought of Adak.



But then, don't these "vets" look sort of young to be WWII vets ?

Adak, must be so proud... and their parents must be too !

[Adak]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

I had heard about the vets at the WWII Memorial, but had not followed the news.
So, when I came across this Washington Post pic, I thought of Adak.

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But then, don't these "vets" look sort of young to be WWII vets ?

Adak, must be so proud... and their parents must be too !

I am proud of these guys! Do you REALLY believe 80 year old vets can man-handle steel barricades?

Many of them can barely walk, or use a cane or a wheel chairs, furrkristSakes!

This was the ass-wipe Obama, operating WAY outside his purview, and we have every right to dissent and protest that action.

What? Did you think dissent and protest should be limited to 80 year olds? Maybe we should sit around and wring our hands out and shake our heads?

[infinite monkey]

That isn't new: China has been working towards owning us for years and years.

I, for one, won't welcome our creepy sneaky overlords.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by infinite monkey

That isn't new: China has been working towards owning us for years and years.

I, for one, won't welcome our creepy sneaky overlords.

Don't worry, our super massive over the top excessive superfluous defense contractor piggy bank military will keep them from owning us.

[glatt]

Except all our machinery uses chips and ICs they manufacture, and they have a secret backdoor kill switch built in to each one.

[henry quirk]

"So you love it that extremists are playing right into China's hand. "

Nope. What I loved what the possibility folks might see for themselves they don't need as much 'governing' as they're told they do.

What I loved was the possibility folks might see the politicians need them a helluva lot more than they need the politicians.

What I loved was the possibility that ludicrous amounts of scrip might stop being spent on horseshit.

China: fuck 'em...what they gonna do? Without the U.S., China goes back to being just a Third World hole.

All moot anyway...*shrug*

[henry quirk]

"This was the most boring government shutdown EVER!"

"you anti-american fuck"

HA!

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

"So you love it that extremists are playing right into China's hand. "

Nope. What I loved what the possibility folks might see for themselves they don't need as much 'governing' as they're told they do.

What I loved was the possibility folks might see the politicians need them a helluva lot more than they need the politicians.

What I loved was the possibility that ludicrous amounts of scrip might stop being spent on horseshit.

China: fuck 'em...what they gonna do? Without the U.S., China goes back to being just a Third World hole.

All moot anyway...*shrug*

Great. Right up until the part where a bunch of children actually starve for lack of food aid programmes; old people actually freeze in the coming winter because they cannot heat their homes, and a rash of small businesses are crippled by the soaring cost of borrowing.

You may not need that much government, but there are a fuck of a lot of people who do in fact need government.

Government didn't expand because it is some hulking beast wanting more and more. It expanded because the alternative to doing so would leave some people for dead. It expanded to fill the gaps left by libertarian and free market ideologies. It expanded to facilitate the broadening out of society's benefits to all Americans and not just those who successfully rode the financial surf.

Now, I daresay you'd be quite comfortable with all that. Survival of the fittest, no passengers, no such thing as fairness idyll.

I honestly don't know what it is you expect to happen if the government were to suddenly shrink to the bone.

[henry quirk]

"Great. Right up until the part where a bunch of children actually starve for lack of food aid programmes; old people actually freeze in the coming winter because they cannot heat their homes, and a rash of small businesses are crippled by the soaring cost of borrowing."

I get it: I (and folks like 'me') are supposed to carry 'them' because they can't carry themselves.

Make me.

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"You may not need that much government, but there are a fuck of a lot of people who do in fact need government."

And that’s 'their' damned problem.

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"Government didn't expand because it is some hulking beast wanting more and more."

'It' expanded 'cause the mercenary wanted more (more power, more control). To that end: generations were taught (are being taught) that bigger government is better government, that governance of the minutia of living is a necessity, and that no individual can do without the 'guidance' of 'authority.

Utter horseshit.

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"...the alternative to doing so would leave some people for dead"

An unsavory truth (fact): some folks need to die.

If X can't fend for him- or her-self, and X has no one who WANTS to help him or her, then X needs to go.

To demand I care for X is theft (of my time, resources, and self...fuck that noise).

That folks like you have to force folks like me is theft, Dana.

No other assessment makes sense.

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"I honestly don't know what it is you expect to happen if the government were to suddenly shrink to the bone.”

First, it'll never "suddenly shrink to the bone". Like smack in the vein: it's 'needed'.

Second, if it did "suddenly shrink to the bone" I expect lots of folks to suffer...some die; some make it through (and are better for it).

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"Survival of the fittest"

HA!

You write it as though it were a bad phrase.

It's not bad or good...just what 'is'.

Folks like you wanna insulate themselves from it...good luck with that.

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Tell you what, Dana: if children starving and old people freezing bother you so much, devote your time, resources, and 'self' to saving them.

Why do 'I' have to participate?

[Lamplighter]

Now that the world has seen that Henry Quirk was right all along,
we can look foreward to February 7th, 2014.

Yesterday, when the Senate passed it's Bill to end this shutdown and debt ceiling fiasco,
Harry Reid made gave a short speech trending towards conciliation and optimism.
Not so for the Senate Minority Leader...

Senator Mitch McConnell's "conciliation" speech drew a bright new red line on the floor.
The GOP will begin it's "conversation" in the super-committee at
last March's $986 billion sequester (aka the Budget Control Act (BCA).
It will be the new Pavlovian war cry of the GOP.
In other words, Obamacare (ACA) becomes just one ribbon on the GOP's BCA battle flag.



Here is a link to the current effect of sequestration by state...

The Texas Tribune
Ryan Murphy
2/26/13

Interactive: Sequester Cuts by State

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Using the data made available for every state plus the District of Columbia
(yes, we opened and collected numbers from all 51 PDFs),
we have prepared an interactive that makes it easy to compare the White House's numbers for each state. Select a sequester cut from the drop-down to view a different chart.

[Happy Monkey]

Good news everybody!

Originally Posted by Rep. John C. Fleming (R-LA)

“But that will get us into Round 2. See, we’re going to start this all over again.”

[Undertoad]

How strange that you would use English to communicate that. Shouldn't you be making up a new language, rather than participate in something that the entire culture has developed over a period of many centuries of deep cooperation, a tie that binds us together so strongly?

[Undertoad]

"Society has a cost and that cost is cooperation and mutual support."

Society is nuthin' but a word for a buncha folks living in close proximity to one another and not killing each other.

It becomes 'jail' when communitarians (Left and Right) decide that the one owes the many sumthin' more than not stealing and not killing.

Again with the English! You're really one of us aren't you?

[henry quirk]

"You're really one of us aren't you?"

I never claimed to be sumthin' other than a human man living in America (like a whole whack of other human men).

As I say: missin' my point (BIG time).