Berkeley City Council Doing Its Anti-Democracy Bit - Page 12

Radar · 02-19-2008, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by deadbeater

Or...bankroll the Nazis and Fascists.

Which Switzerland did not do. They were neutral in the disputes surrounding them and allowed the Germans to put the art and valuables they had (from whatever source) to be stored in the bank.

Also, America is harder to attack than Switzerland. They are surrounded by other nations and America has an ocean on either side and only 2 nations bordering ours.

deadbeater · 02-19-2008, 08:51 PM

Oh they didn't bankroll, they just stored what the Nazis and Faciscts have stolen, and intend to keep the stuff after the Nazis died off, if it weren't for that pesky guard. I got it.

Radar · 02-19-2008, 09:19 PM

As I said, they remain neutral. There is no moral ambiguity or wrong in doing this. The reward is in never having to fight a war that you don't belong in....like Iraq.

Switzerland didn't judge the actions of other nations or get involved in their disputes. If someone brought money or art, or something valuable and wants to store it in their bank, they assumed it was gotten legitimately. If it wasn't, the blame is on the person who stole it, not the person who stored it.

Also, banks in America do the same thing. If you die, and nobody comes forward to collect your money, after a certain period of time, the bank gets to keep it. I highly doubt banks leave accounts open that have had no activity for 50 years.

Bullitt · 02-19-2008, 09:40 PM

No officer I didn't think anything was wrong with letting some random guy hide a stolen Ferrari in my garage so no one would know. Honest! I didn't steal it, i just helped the guy who did! I'm neutral!

ac·com·plice -noun: a person who knowingly helps another in a crime or wrongdoing

deadbeater · 02-19-2008, 10:38 PM

That sure placated the Jews. No, it didn't. They sued for their forebears' things.

Undertoad · 02-19-2008, 10:52 PM

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Also, America is harder to attack than Switzerland. They are surrounded by other nations and America has an ocean on either side and only 2 nations bordering ours.

America was attacked.

You can't imagine a war where a nation had to cross an ocean to attack and was successful? Cause that's half of them recently, starting with WW2. You can't imagine asymmetric warfare being an issue?

From what I can tell, Switzerland wasn't attacked because

A) its only strategy was defense, which was made possible by geography (a limited number of passable chokepoints) and the enlistment of 20% of its population into the army;

B) its economic concessions to Germany (why concentrate on taking it when it's giving you all you need anyway?), and

C) its basic aversion to nazism and distrust of the Germans made it a harder pill to swallow.

Hitler would have gotten back to Switzerland. He just moved it down the list and then his list got tore up before he could finish it.

Radar · 02-20-2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bullitt

No officer I didn't think anything was wrong with letting some random guy hide a stolen Ferrari in my garage so no one would know. Honest! I didn't steal it, i just helped the guy who did! I'm neutral!

ac·com·plice -noun: a person who knowingly helps another in a crime or wrongdoing

No, it's more like this....

ME: "Yes officer, that person stored a Ferrari in my garage. He paid to store it there."

COP: "Didn't you think it might be stolen?"

ME: "I didn't ask. That's none of my business. If he stole it, he is the one who must deal with the authorities, not me."

Flint · 02-20-2008, 10:54 AM

Sir, these gentlemen are telling me that they did see a sign on your garage that said "Stolen Ferrari Storage" ...

Radar · 02-20-2008, 12:08 PM

Nice.

That's the only scene in any movie where I'm not completely disgusted by Quentin Tarantino's acting. Still one of my favorite films of all time.

Shawnee123 · 02-20-2008, 12:18 PM

Me too, Radar.

Happy Monkey · 02-20-2008, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

America was attacked.

You can't imagine a war where a nation had to cross an ocean to attack and was successful? Cause that's half of them recently, starting with WW2. You can't imagine asymmetric warfare being an issue?

Switzerland is more open to bombing (WWII) and terrorism (9-11) than the US is. It is within much closer range of many more countries, and has borders (with more countries) that are at least as open.

Their biggest defense is their foreign policy.

Undertoad · 02-20-2008, 01:05 PM

If that's not true it kind of blows your entire narrative on terror

Happy Monkey · 02-20-2008, 01:54 PM

If what's not true? Do you think that my narrative is that the Swiss are so good that nothing bad will ever happen to them?

Nothing can prevent all terrorism, but foreign policy is much more important than mountains and military size.

Radar · 02-20-2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

If what's not true? Do you think that my narrative is that the Swiss are so good that nothing bad will ever happen to them?

Nothing can prevent all terrorism, but foreign policy is much more important than mountains and military size.

Exactly. And those who are looking to make attacks in Switzerland, aren't trying to attack the Swiss. They are trying to attack Jews who keep their money or diamonds in Switzerland. Although Jihadists tend to be willing to kill hundreds or even thousands of others as long as they get the few they wanted. They don't hold a high value on human life as a rule.

deadbeater · 02-21-2008, 06:23 PM

So Switzerland is getting it from both Muslims and Jews. I almost feel sorry for them. Not.

02-19-2008, 09:19 PM	#168
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	As I said, they remain neutral. There is no moral ambiguity or wrong in doing this. The reward is in never having to fight a war that you don't belong in....like Iraq. Switzerland didn't judge the actions of other nations or get involved in their disputes. If someone brought money or art, or something valuable and wants to store it in their bank, they assumed it was gotten legitimately. If it wasn't, the blame is on the person who stole it, not the person who stored it. Also, banks in America do the same thing. If you die, and nobody comes forward to collect your money, after a certain period of time, the bank gets to keep it. I highly doubt banks leave accounts open that have had no activity for 50 years. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

02-19-2008, 09:40 PM	#169
Bullitt This is a fully functional babe lair Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 2,324	No officer I didn't think anything was wrong with letting some random guy hide a stolen Ferrari in my garage so no one would know. Honest! I didn't steal it, i just helped the guy who did! I'm neutral! ac·com·plice -noun: a person who knowingly helps another in a crime or wrongdoing __________________ Kiss my white Irish ass. Last edited by Bullitt; 02-19-2008 at 09:48 PM.

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02-20-2008, 12:08 PM	#174
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Nice. That's the only scene in any movie where I'm not completely disgusted by Quentin Tarantino's acting. Still one of my favorite films of all time. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

02-20-2008, 01:54 PM	#178
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	If what's not true? Do you think that my narrative is that the Swiss are so good that nothing bad will ever happen to them? Nothing can prevent all terrorism, but foreign policy is much more important than mountains and military size. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

02-19-2008, 08:51 PM	#167
deadbeater Sir Post-A-Lot Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 439	Oh they didn't bankroll, they just stored what the Nazis and Faciscts have stolen, and intend to keep the stuff after the Nazis died off, if it weren't for that pesky guard. I got it.

02-19-2008, 10:38 PM	#170
deadbeater Sir Post-A-Lot Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 439	That sure placated the Jews. No, it didn't. They sued for their forebears' things.

02-20-2008, 12:18 PM	#175
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Me too, Radar.

02-20-2008, 01:05 PM	#177
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	If that's not true it kind of blows your entire narrative on terror

02-21-2008, 06:23 PM	#180
deadbeater Sir Post-A-Lot Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 439	So Switzerland is getting it from both Muslims and Jews. I almost feel sorry for them. Not.

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