Shooting at Virginia Tech - Page 12

TheMercenary · 04-19-2007, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sycamore

From the BBC: Police probing the deadly shootings at Virginia Tech University have criticised the decision of US network NBC to show footage of the killer.

My thoughts on this:

1) "If it bleeds, it leads"...that's journalism in today's society. Did the police really expect NBC to sit on it?

2) I think the public should see at least some of Cho's video. It gives us a glimpse into who this guy really was.

At the same time, I think we've officially hit the saturation point with coverage of this. I'm going to quit reading and watching the news for the rest of the day, I think.

I agree, but it is time to stop giving this idiot, who dead anyway, more air time. It could be fanning the flames of someone with similar delusions and stimulate them into acting in a similar manner. They need to quit already, stop the pictures, stop the video, stop the voice overs. Stop. Let's focus on his victims.

Cloud · 04-19-2007, 11:01 AM

Can you imagine being the NBC staffer who opened the package?

elSicomoro · 04-19-2007, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloud

Can you imagine being the NBC staffer who opened the package?

Apparently, someone at the USPS notified NBC of the package...could you imagine being them?

elSicomoro · 04-19-2007, 11:03 AM

I think there would be more focus on the victims had Cho's package not came up. I recall hearing a lot more about the victims at Columbine and OKC at a similar point in coverage.

So is April the official month of crazy? Look how much bad shit has happened in April in this country.

Kitsune · 04-19-2007, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sycamore

So is April the official month of crazy? Look how much bad shit has happened in April in this country.

Yes.

...and happy birthday to me. :p

elSicomoro · 04-19-2007, 11:08 AM

I suspect this would be a bigger deal too, if not for VT.

piercehawkeye45 · 04-19-2007, 12:42 PM

Merc is right on that they are giving Cho too much air time .

One, we should honor the victim instead of Cho.

Two, we are turning Cho into a fucking martyr. The media just told the entire United States that if you want to get a message out to the world, shoot up a school then kill yourself and people will read it.

Cloud · 04-19-2007, 12:47 PM

yeah--one thing that disturbs me is they keep saying "the deadliest school shooting ever." That gives sickos incentive to beat the record.

elSicomoro · 04-19-2007, 12:51 PM

Eh...maybe. I'm sure that there's some shithead out there thinking, "I can do 34!" But at the same time, Cho may have been a time bomb. The kids from Columbine may have given him some inspiration, but I suspect that his plan wasn't to go for any kind of record...just to hurt people.

Cloud · 04-19-2007, 03:20 PM

Take a look at the Wikipedia list of school killings, it's interesting reading.

Did you know that in 1927, a disgruntled school board member planted a bomb in a Michigan schoolhouse, killing 45 people? That is the deadliest school massacre.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_massacres

Cloud · 04-19-2007, 04:31 PM

Wow. if you look carefully at that list, you will see one of the "foiled" plots refers to an incident yesterday, in which a kid text-messaged his intention to beat Cho's record.

piercehawkeye45 · 04-19-2007, 04:39 PM

You said you haven't seen any guns used or heard of any making it seem like you are implying that gun violence doesn't happen and I gave you stats providing how many people have died from firearms in 2004. I have never said anything about banning guns on any thread in the past few days so I don't know where that question about suicide came from.

cowhead · 04-19-2007, 05:00 PM

and I hate to say 'it's not guns that kill people, it's people who kill people' there is a basic flaw in society. I own guns, however I have never shot anyone (although I must admit there are a couple I would have liked to.. but I'm not going to, besides that..and another thing I hate to agree with.. once you outlaw guns only the outlaws (criminals) will have guns. and personally, if someone comes guning for someone I love.. I want to be able to remedy the situation as quickly as possible. (and for the record, I think handguns are for cowards.. if you're going to take someones life, I think one ought to do it face to face, with a knife/sword/big stick it's personal.. and that ought to stick with you for the rest of your life.. that's a life you are taking! taking!... not press a button/pull a trigger and it's done... that is another human being!..however society being what it is.. my views are outmoded if not archaic, so.. I must adapt and survive.)

TheMercenary · 04-19-2007, 05:11 PM

More people died from poisoning than from firearms in 2004.

During 1979--2004, the three leading causes of injury death in the United States were motor-vehicle traffic, firearm, and poisoning (including drug overdose). In 2004, for the first time since 1968, when such data first became available, the number of reported poisoning deaths (30,308) and the age-adjusted poisoning death rate (10.3 per 1000,000 population) exceeded the number of firearm deaths (29,569) and the firearm death rate (10.0), respectively. During 1999--2004, the poisoning death rate increased 45%, whereas the firearm death rate declined 3%; during the same period, no change occurred in the rate (14.7) for motor-vehicle traffic deaths.

SOURCE: Mortality data from the National Vital Statistics Systems. Available at http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/deaths.htm.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5550a6.htm

piercehawkeye45 · 04-19-2007, 05:18 PM

What the hell is that suppose to prove? Whether or not 100,000 or 2 people have died from poisoning, it doesn’t change the fact that 12,000 people have died from homicide in 2004. I have never compared firearm deaths to any other death statistics because I don't think it is a contest, they are all horrible and we should be working to prevent deaths in every field. If you are honestly using this to back up a pro-gun view, I highly suggest looking at yourself and what you stand for.

04-19-2007, 11:01 AM	#2
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	Can you imagine being the NBC staffer who opened the package? __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

04-19-2007, 12:47 PM	#8
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	yeah--one thing that disturbs me is they keep saying "the deadliest school shooting ever." That gives sickos incentive to beat the record. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

04-19-2007, 03:20 PM	#10
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	Take a look at the Wikipedia list of school killings, it's interesting reading. Did you know that in 1927, a disgruntled school board member planted a bomb in a Michigan schoolhouse, killing 45 people? That is the deadliest school massacre. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_massacres __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

04-19-2007, 04:31 PM	#11
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	Wow. if you look carefully at that list, you will see one of the "foiled" plots refers to an incident yesterday, in which a kid text-messaged his intention to beat Cho's record. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

04-19-2007, 05:00 PM	#13
cowhead halve your cake and eat it too. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Georgia.. by way of Lawrence Kansas Posts: 1,359	and I hate to say 'it's not guns that kill people, it's people who kill people' there is a basic flaw in society. I own guns, however I have never shot anyone (although I must admit there are a couple I would have liked to.. but I'm not going to, besides that..and another thing I hate to agree with.. once you outlaw guns only the outlaws (criminals) will have guns. and personally, if someone comes guning for someone I love.. I want to be able to remedy the situation as quickly as possible. (and for the record, I think handguns are for cowards.. if you're going to take someones life, I think one ought to do it face to face, with a knife/sword/big stick it's personal.. and that ought to stick with you for the rest of your life.. that's a life you are taking! taking!... not press a button/pull a trigger and it's done... that is another human being!..however society being what it is.. my views are outmoded if not archaic, so.. I must adapt and survive.) __________________ no my child.. this is not my desire..I'm digging for fire.

04-19-2007, 11:03 AM	#4
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	I think there would be more focus on the victims had Cho's package not came up. I recall hearing a lot more about the victims at Columbine and OKC at a similar point in coverage. So is April the official month of crazy? Look how much bad shit has happened in April in this country.

04-19-2007, 11:08 AM	#6
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	I suspect this would be a bigger deal too, if not for VT.

04-19-2007, 12:42 PM	#7
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Merc is right on that they are giving Cho too much air time . One, we should honor the victim instead of Cho. Two, we are turning Cho into a fucking martyr. The media just told the entire United States that if you want to get a message out to the world, shoot up a school then kill yourself and people will read it.

04-19-2007, 12:51 PM	#9
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Eh...maybe. I'm sure that there's some shithead out there thinking, "I can do 34!" But at the same time, Cho may have been a time bomb. The kids from Columbine may have given him some inspiration, but I suspect that his plan wasn't to go for any kind of record...just to hurt people.

04-19-2007, 04:39 PM	#12
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	You said you haven't seen any guns used or heard of any making it seem like you are implying that gun violence doesn't happen and I gave you stats providing how many people have died from firearms in 2004. I have never said anything about banning guns on any thread in the past few days so I don't know where that question about suicide came from.

04-19-2007, 05:11 PM	#14
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	More people died from poisoning than from firearms in 2004. During 1979--2004, the three leading causes of injury death in the United States were motor-vehicle traffic, firearm, and poisoning (including drug overdose). In 2004, for the first time since 1968, when such data first became available, the number of reported poisoning deaths (30,308) and the age-adjusted poisoning death rate (10.3 per 1000,000 population) exceeded the number of firearm deaths (29,569) and the firearm death rate (10.0), respectively. During 1999--2004, the poisoning death rate increased 45%, whereas the firearm death rate declined 3%; during the same period, no change occurred in the rate (14.7) for motor-vehicle traffic deaths. SOURCE: Mortality data from the National Vital Statistics Systems. Available at http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/deaths.htm. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5550a6.htm __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

04-19-2007, 05:18 PM	#15
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	What the hell is that suppose to prove? Whether or not 100,000 or 2 people have died from poisoning, it doesn’t change the fact that 12,000 people have died from homicide in 2004. I have never compared firearm deaths to any other death statistics because I don't think it is a contest, they are all horrible and we should be working to prevent deaths in every field. If you are honestly using this to back up a pro-gun view, I highly suggest looking at yourself and what you stand for.

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