London Bombing - Page 11

Trilby · 07-12-2005, 12:51 PM

[quote=dar512]They don't have to. They've got oil.

[/QUOTE} ...ok, WE did not always NEED their oil. They've NEVER produced anything except religious nut cases. If the world didn't need oil, they'd be Darfur. Period. No one would give a shit what they did or how many of them were killed.

dar512 · 07-12-2005, 01:13 PM

Good point, Brianna. And you have to wonder if all our oil money wasn't flowing into the Mideast, would they the nutcases be able to afford to fly around and plant bombs hither and thither?

So support our troops - get rid of your suvs and humvees.

Trilby · 07-12-2005, 01:24 PM

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So support our troops - get rid of your suvs and humvees.

Thank you.

I'm way, waaaaay below an SUV. I'm nowhere near a humvee. I'm a Ford kind of woman. While other RN's bought Lexus and the like, I raised two kids with all the opportunity I could muster. I think I got the better deal. My oldest is enjoying what we jokingly call "lawyer camp" at University of Cincinnati. He won via an essay he wrote (and he was identified as "gifted" as a youngster). The younger, Danny, just finished an elite sports camp. I feel lucky.

footfootfoot · 07-12-2005, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dar512

They don't have to. They've got oil.

The real solution is long term, but I think it's what happened in Russia:

Give them all cable tv and internet access and eventually their kids will demand western culture.

Tou fucking ché

Not to mention The U.S. and its protegé: China.

"I'll have two orders of western culture please, super size them, and a side of me first."

xoxoxoBruce · 07-14-2005, 12:10 AM

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Ok--(I don't belong here,~~snip) ....

Bullshit.

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Originally Posted by Brianna

Yes, he's one man. No, he's not inclusive of the entire region/religion. Don't insult me. But he IS completely unwilling to "adopt" this country as his own------so, why the fuck is he HERE?????*

*I've the answer, but it's waaaay off the thread.

Now back to your arguement....

Not off thread. That's what we need, personal knowledge of what and why these people feel. Even if it's just your opinion from personal contact.

dar512 · 07-14-2005, 02:38 PM

Anyone read the news this morning about the bombers? Sounds like three, at least, were middle-class young men that got recruited on a visit home to Pakistan. Sounds like all of these men had prospects. One was a newlywed with a daughter.

I just don't get it.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-16-2005, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dar512

Anyone read the news this morning about the bombers? Sounds like three, at least, were middle-class young men that got recruited on a visit home to Pakistan. Sounds like all of these men had prospects. One was a newlywed with a daughter.

I just don't get it.

I do...They were recruited by one Bush's operatives to stir up hate for "terrorists" and try to drum up support for Blair.

wolf · 07-12-2005, 02:06 PM

According to the break-in on the noon news, buncha houses were raided in a "Muslim Section" of Leeds and arrests made.

There is now also speculation that the four bombers died in the attacks, although the reporters are not yet saying "suicide bombers" as there was also information that the bombs were triggered using cellphones as timing devices, like the Spanish train bombs.

I wonder, though, if there is insufficient Islamic fervor on the part of the youth of Britain, and those who carried the bombs thought they were merely going to place them at some location and have the bombs go off later?

Troubleshooter · 07-12-2005, 03:23 PM

There's also the possibility of an unsuspecting suicide bomber...

Abdul: We drop the bomb and then pretend we're tourists.

Akbar: Hey Abdul, why is the bomb ringing?

Bomb: Dumbasses... *boom*

Undertoad · 07-12-2005, 05:20 PM

When you say "their country", which one do you mean?

Winds of Change debuts this Flash presentation showing all major attacks since al Q. Note when Mar 2003 is on the timeline. Previous to that are the attacks you can't blame on Iraq.

http://windsofchange.net/flashplayer...da&w=640&h=480

Happy Monkey · 07-12-2005, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Previous to that are the attacks you can't blame on Iraq.

When you say "Iraq", which Iraq war do you mean?

BigV · 07-12-2005, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

When you say "their country", which one do you mean?--clip

Well, according to our administration, ground zero for terrorist is Iraq. I think Iraq is a fine place to start. Why not let the citizens of that country do as they wish. Why would I want to

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get Islamists to reform their society?

anyway?

jaguar · 07-12-2005, 05:21 PM

bruce - this was a while ago.

mrnoodle · 07-12-2005, 05:28 PM

GAh, breaking my self-imposed gag order.

BigV, this isn't about "people getting along" or "really understanding each other." It's a clash of very deeply held, almost hardwired values. To suggest to a devout follower of Islam that he overlook our R-rated movies, blasphemy, materialism, and support of the hated Jew while simultaneously letting his wife take off her veil, uncover her legs and get a job, just so we can stop fighting each other...it's ludicrous. Fighting the evil that we represent is what gets him into heaven. You think you can counter that with platitudes?

Are there Muslims who would welcome watered-down Islam? Sure, just as there are Christians who would prefer that their religion be no more influential than a verse on a greeting card. But until you convince the true islamic believer to water down their religion until it's palatable to the unbelievers (as we've done with Christianity in America), the answer to "can't we all just get along?" is, "No, we can't."

Undertoad · 07-12-2005, 07:03 PM

The one you referred to.

07-12-2005, 12:51 PM	#1
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	[quote=dar512]They don't have to. They've got oil. [/QUOTE} ...ok, WE did not always NEED their oil. They've NEVER produced anything except religious nut cases. If the world didn't need oil, they'd be Darfur. Period. No one would give a shit what they did or how many of them were killed. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

07-12-2005, 01:13 PM	#2
dar512 dar512 is now Pete Zicato Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago suburb Posts: 4,968	Good point, Brianna. And you have to wonder if all our oil money wasn't flowing into the Mideast, would they the nutcases be able to afford to fly around and plant bombs hither and thither? So support our troops - get rid of your suvs and humvees. __________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." -- Friedrich Schiller

07-14-2005, 02:38 PM	#6
dar512 dar512 is now Pete Zicato Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago suburb Posts: 4,968	Anyone read the news this morning about the bombers? Sounds like three, at least, were middle-class young men that got recruited on a visit home to Pakistan. Sounds like all of these men had prospects. One was a newlywed with a daughter. I just don't get it. __________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." -- Friedrich Schiller

07-12-2005, 02:06 PM	#8
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	According to the break-in on the noon news, buncha houses were raided in a "Muslim Section" of Leeds and arrests made. There is now also speculation that the four bombers died in the attacks, although the reporters are not yet saying "suicide bombers" as there was also information that the bombs were triggered using cellphones as timing devices, like the Spanish train bombs. I wonder, though, if there is insufficient Islamic fervor on the part of the youth of Britain, and those who carried the bombs thought they were merely going to place them at some location and have the bombs go off later? __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

07-12-2005, 03:23 PM	#9
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	There's also the possibility of an unsuspecting suicide bomber... Abdul: We drop the bomb and then pretend we're tourists. Akbar: Hey Abdul, why is the bomb ringing? Bomb: Dumbasses... boom __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

07-12-2005, 05:20 PM	#10
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	When you say "their country", which one do you mean? Winds of Change debuts this Flash presentation showing all major attacks since al Q. Note when Mar 2003 is on the timeline. Previous to that are the attacks you can't blame on Iraq. http://windsofchange.net/flashplayer...da&w=640&h=480

07-12-2005, 05:21 PM	#13
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	bruce - this was a while ago. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

07-12-2005, 05:28 PM	#14
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	GAh, breaking my self-imposed gag order. BigV, this isn't about "people getting along" or "really understanding each other." It's a clash of very deeply held, almost hardwired values. To suggest to a devout follower of Islam that he overlook our R-rated movies, blasphemy, materialism, and support of the hated Jew while simultaneously letting his wife take off her veil, uncover her legs and get a job, just so we can stop fighting each other...it's ludicrous. Fighting the evil that we represent is what gets him into heaven. You think you can counter that with platitudes? Are there Muslims who would welcome watered-down Islam? Sure, just as there are Christians who would prefer that their religion be no more influential than a verse on a greeting card. But until you convince the true islamic believer to water down their religion until it's palatable to the unbelievers (as we've done with Christianity in America), the answer to "can't we all just get along?" is, "No, we can't." __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

07-12-2005, 07:03 PM	#15
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The one you referred to.

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