Watching the Democrats - it's Fun and Macabre! - Page 11

Ibby · 01-07-2013, 01:24 AM

just because you aren't terrified doesn't invalidate the narratives of the hundreds of thousands of people in this country who do have to worry about leaving their houses, walking through their neighborhoods, living their day-to-day lives in cities with higher mortality rates than some warzones. Just because your narrative and your privilege tells one story doesn't mean those with different stories are invalid.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-07-2013, 01:26 AM

It doesn't make their fears rational either.

Ibby · 01-07-2013, 01:29 AM

are you seriously arguing that violent crime doesn't claim thousands and thousands of lives every year in highly localized areas, and that therefore people in those areas have nothing to fear from the violence, especially gun violence, in their neighborhoods?
even the ones have lost friends and family members, sometimes more than one, to violence in their neighborhoods?

xoxoxoBruce · 01-07-2013, 01:30 AM

Nope.

classicman · 01-07-2013, 07:01 PM

Hahahaha I <3 Bruce!

Perhaps dear Ibster, we could address the issue in those VERY SPECIFIC "highly localized" areas and leave the VAST MAJORITY or the rest of the fucking country alone.
Just a thought.

Ibby · 01-07-2013, 07:04 PM

show me a way to reduce gun crime without affecting people in areas with gun crime that isn't, for example, the sort of handgun bans already in place in many cities that NRA types also scream and holler about.

glatt · 01-07-2013, 07:14 PM

Local gun restrictions don't work. Guns are small and easily smuggled across local borders where there are no border controls. Border controls only exist on the national level, and that is the only level where gun restrictions have a chance of working.

Adak · 01-08-2013, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt

Local gun restrictions don't work. Guns are small and easily smuggled across local borders where there are no border controls. Border controls only exist on the national level, and that is the only level where gun restrictions have a chance of working.

While homicides with guns are down, nationally, they have increased dramatically in Chicago - which has very strict gun control laws.

On the other hand, homicides with guns are down in New York City, which also has strict gun control laws.

In California, we've had a HUGE increase in the number of guns, since Obama became president. The recent gun show in Ontario, CA had people waiting for 3 hours to get in - and the number of people allowed in had to be restricted nearly all day because they would otherwise grossly exceed the occupancy limit set by the fire dept.

There is NO ARGUMENT that Obama has been the best thing that ever happened to gun shops and shows in CA -- since EVER.

And our gun homicides have decreased, despite the large increase in firearms owned by the public.

And if you MUST call any rifle an "assault" rifle, you should know that NONE *ZERO* of the rifles being sold today, would qualify.

Assault rifles (which are made to assault the enemy in war), ALWAYS have a full automatic setting. No rifles sold to the public in the US, have that feature. That's been true since the 1930's.

The rifles you see today may look the same, because they use a lot of black plastic for the stock, etc., but they are NOT assault rifles. They are ordinary semi-automatic rifles with plastic, instead of the traditional wooden, stock.

Adak · 01-13-2013, 12:02 AM

The Miss America contestant was asked to respond to this question:
"Should we put armed guards in our schools?"

Her "winning" response was:
"No, we shouldn't fight violence with violence."

ROFL!!

What the liberals would do is have the kids hide under their desks, and pray that the nutcase won't see them.

Well, OMG! He's nutty, but he's not blind!

Here's how it should go down:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/10/us/hom...rticle_sidebar

Now I know, I'm bringing up a FACTUAL incident, and not something a liberal dreamed up, but there it is:

Mother alone at home with her children, shoots the home invader 5 times, while her husband gives her advice over the cell phone.

He had taught her how to shoot, just two weeks before.

Unfortunately, the home invader lived, but in an odd twist, the Sheriff has not arrested him yet. That means HE will have to be responsible for the cost of his medical bills, and THEN the Sheriff will arrest him.

Sweet!

richlevy · 01-13-2013, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Adak

Unfortunately, the home invader lived, but in an odd twist, the Sheriff has not arrested him yet. That means HE will have to be responsible for the cost of his medical bills, and THEN the Sheriff will arrest him.

Sweet!

Doesn't that mean that patients are sharing accommodations with a suspected violent criminal who is not under police guard? Isn't that the reason some hospitals have prison wards?

IamSam · 01-13-2013, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Adak

There is NO ARGUMENT that Obama has been the best thing that ever happened to gun shops and shows in CA -- since EVER.

Yeah, the Lee Harvey Oswald crowd will be coming out of the woodwork any day now.

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The rifles you see today may look the same, because they use a lot of black plastic for the stock, etc., but they are NOT assault rifles. They are ordinary semi-automatic rifles with plastic, instead of the traditional wooden, stock.

I'm sure that if they'd only known that, those 20 children would have died happy.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-07-2013, 07:28 PM

They can have my guns. $24,000. Cash. I'll even throw in the ammo.
Then a couple hundred million people won't be paranoid anymore.

piercehawkeye45 · 01-07-2013, 07:11 PM

Better schools and economic opportunities?

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Originally Posted by Classicman

Perhaps dear Ibster, we could address the issue in those VERY SPECIFIC "highly localized" areas and leave the VAST MAJORITY or the rest of the fucking country alone.
Just a thought.

I could be wrong but the vast majority of guns used in these types of areas are illegal, therefore banning guns will probably not work without changing the gun culture in that region. From the data, I'm not convinced that handgun bans in D.C. or Chicago really had an effect.

Personally, I think regulating access to legal guns and harsh penalties on illegal guns is the only policy that may reduce gun violence without extremely harsh gun control (which may not work anyways...). However, in the end it is going to be gun culture (economic opportunity, etc.) not gun policy that is going to reduce gun violence in the US.

piercehawkeye45 · 01-07-2013, 07:19 PM

Considering the US is the largest exporter of legal and illegal guns, I don't think national gun control will work either. Seriously, where do you think most of the guns in Brazil and Africa come from?

ZenGum · 01-07-2013, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Better schools and economic opportunities?

SOCIALIST!!!!! OMG!

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Considering the US is the largest exporter of legal and illegal guns, I don't think national gun control will work either. Seriously, where do you think most of the guns in Brazil and Africa come from?

Well, you have to trade something for all those drugs.

Seriously, want to reduce shootings? How about legalising all drugs?

01-07-2013, 01:24 AM	#1
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	just because you aren't terrified doesn't invalidate the narratives of the hundreds of thousands of people in this country who do have to worry about leaving their houses, walking through their neighborhoods, living their day-to-day lives in cities with higher mortality rates than some warzones. Just because your narrative and your privilege tells one story doesn't mean those with different stories are invalid. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

01-07-2013, 01:26 AM	#2
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	It doesn't make their fears rational either. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-07-2013, 01:29 AM	#3
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	are you seriously arguing that violent crime doesn't claim thousands and thousands of lives every year in highly localized areas, and that therefore people in those areas have nothing to fear from the violence, especially gun violence, in their neighborhoods? even the ones have lost friends and family members, sometimes more than one, to violence in their neighborhoods? __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

01-07-2013, 01:30 AM	#4
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Nope. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-07-2013, 07:01 PM	#5
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Hahahaha I <3 Bruce! Perhaps dear Ibster, we could address the issue in those VERY SPECIFIC "highly localized" areas and leave the VAST MAJORITY or the rest of the fucking country alone. Just a thought. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

01-07-2013, 07:04 PM	#6
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	show me a way to reduce gun crime without affecting people in areas with gun crime that isn't, for example, the sort of handgun bans already in place in many cities that NRA types also scream and holler about. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

01-07-2013, 07:14 PM	#7
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Local gun restrictions don't work. Guns are small and easily smuggled across local borders where there are no border controls. Border controls only exist on the national level, and that is the only level where gun restrictions have a chance of working.

01-13-2013, 12:02 AM	#9
Adak Lecturer Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 796	The Miss America contestant was asked to respond to this question: "Should we put armed guards in our schools?" Her "winning" response was: "No, we shouldn't fight violence with violence." ROFL!! What the liberals would do is have the kids hide under their desks, and pray that the nutcase won't see them. Well, OMG! He's nutty, but he's not blind! Here's how it should go down: http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/10/us/hom...rticle_sidebar Now I know, I'm bringing up a FACTUAL incident, and not something a liberal dreamed up, but there it is: Mother alone at home with her children, shoots the home invader 5 times, while her husband gives her advice over the cell phone. He had taught her how to shoot, just two weeks before. Unfortunately, the home invader lived, but in an odd twist, the Sheriff has not arrested him yet. That means HE will have to be responsible for the cost of his medical bills, and THEN the Sheriff will arrest him. Sweet!

01-07-2013, 07:28 PM	#12
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	They can have my guns. $24,000. Cash. I'll even throw in the ammo. Then a couple hundred million people won't be paranoid anymore. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-07-2013, 07:19 PM	#14
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Considering the US is the largest exporter of legal and illegal guns, I don't think national gun control will work either. Seriously, where do you think most of the guns in Brazil and Africa come from? __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

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