What do you hear when people say freedom?

[henry quirk]

you wrote, 'since we all recognize that he can only speak for himself' in post 143

this is the whole of it: 'I have to agree with Dana. I thought at first it was as you believed, but since we all recognize that he can only speak for himself, then there is no other reasonable determination. It is simply his opinion.'

in the following post: i disagreed with you

in 145 you say i contradict

in 146 i show there was no contradiction

in 147 you said good bye

in 148 i bid you adieu

in 149 you task me for ((( )))

in 150 i haven't a clue what's you're doing or asking

for the record: if one takes the time to read my posts, it's very clear what i'm saying and what i'm quoting

if you aren't up to the effort: then stop responding…

[DanaC]

seems to me -- outside of whip and me -- no one else should give a damn

If you want a private conversation with Whip the facility is there for a private message and/or a private room in Chat. This is a public area.

[W.HI.P]

wow, i can't believe i missed all those posts.
guys, thanks for cleaing my intent up.
henry, learn to quote ..... first press [ , then quote, then ] write the quote inbetween, then close it by pressing [ , then /, then quote, and the final button .... ] ...its pretty easy, and it makes it a lot easier to read.
oh yeah, what was your purpose in this thread again ...to defend mankind...good luck with that.
you'd have to be ignorant or stupid to fight that battle.
you have no chance of winning.

the only defence one could have for humanity is that we're at an infant state.
we would have to survive our own self destructive nature and evolve.
of course that would not change the actions we've taken to this point.

[henry quirk]

"If you want a private conversation..."

i don't, dana: i just don't get why anyone 'feels' the need to poke around in my issue with whip...or: why anyone thinks i'm obligated to dance with them

*shrug*

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"what was your purpose in this thread again ...to defend mankind"

nope: read again, whip

[W.HI.P]

henry, instead of pressing reply, press quote on the post you want to quote and it will do all the work for you.

look, i've spent to much time educating you on mankind and on how to use this forum.
you're obviously too stupid to learn on either of the topics, so i'm done with you.

[henry quirk]

fine by me whip

i note, however, no attempt to refute me, only the useless posturing of poking at the meaningless issue of my (non)style

as i say elsewhere in this forum: much easier to complain about ((( ))) than to address what's inside ((( )))

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by W.HI.P

henry, instead of pressing reply, press quote on the post you want to quote and it will do all the work for you.

look, i've spent to much time educating you on mankind and on how to use this forum.
you're obviously too stupid to learn on either of the topics, so i'm done with you.

At the very least you could use color to distinguish between your posts and quotes. Like this.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

"If you want a private conversation..."

i don't, dana: i just don't get why anyone 'feels' the need to poke around in my issue with whip...or: why anyone thinks i'm obligated to dance with them

*shrug*

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Okay. Fair enough.

[Queen of the Ryche]

"what we each have is far more powerful and real than 'freedom' or 'free will': we have agency, or, the capacity to choose"

So isn't that freedom of choice? I see a lot of opinion and posturing in this thread and it upsets me because I think Glatt brought up a valid point. We hear so many "defending" their "freedom" yet do they really know what they claim to be defending? After reading this thread I have discovered that freedom seems to be completely left up to the interpretation of its posessor, or those who don't believe they posess it at all. I know my true freedom is limited, but I enjoy the freedoms that I believe I do have.

[henry quirk]

"freedom of choice"

i think the two words, 'freedom' and 'choice', exclude one another

if you follow my postings in this thread, i equate the individual and choice...i believe them equivalent, synonymous

that is: to BE an individual one must choose, and to choose one must BE an individual

if 'freedom' is a fiction, a fiction most often offered up as privilege to the governed by the governors, then it can't have anything to do with 'choice' since 'choice' is integral to the individual who exercises it

that is: 'choice' can't be taken away from the agent, nor can it be granted to the agent by another

so: 'freedom of choice' is an error...in my opinion... --henry

[classicman]

Hey Dana - wanna dance. Apparently this thread is not a public anymore.

[DanaC]

Hey Dave....why you not in chat? why you not?

[henry quirk]

"we are fleas on this planet"

when i say 'fleas' i mean in scale, not in value

the pedestrian musings of the whip and the sugarpop are, i think, value-statements i disagree with

to be a flea in scale still allows for nobility and greatness

to be 'scum' or a 'virus' in essence, in nature, allows only for stasis and parasitism

*shrug*

[henry quirk]

"if joe is an enemy of mine (he killed my nephew, fucked my wife, ate my dog, etc.), and i hurt joe, 'harm' him, by stealing from him, this is a concern for me, how?"

this raises, of course, the bullshit argument of: well you reap what you so, mr quirk

if joe 'hurts' you then why are you complaining?

he just doing what 'you' do, isn't he?

yes he is...and if he does it to 'you', unless 'you' have some value to 'me', i could not care less

since however, i am everything to myself: i tend to take a dim view of being treated as resource, though -- certainly -- if suits my cause, i will use joe as resource

and since there is a small number of folks who 'matter' to me: i take also take a dim view of joe using any one of them as resource

morality, ethics, decency, justice, equality, and on and on are the sometimes useful fictions used to allow for a semblance of 'peace'

these fictions are tools used to craft another, sometimes useful, fiction: civilization

sure as shit: the next major catastrophe that slams into the world will illustrate how thin the veneer is on civilization and how angel farty 'morality, ethics, decency, justice, equality, and on and on' are

this, of course, is deplorable and you all should shun me, avert your eyes, write letters to the local papers, and report me to the net police...

[Queen of the Ryche]

Wow henry. Just wow. Are you really so bored and bitter that you feel the need to reply to your own posts?

Have a Blessed Day.