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Old 10-17-2006, 03:23 PM   #1
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Old 10-17-2006, 03:25 PM   #2
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How do you "prevent gun violence"...?
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Old 10-17-2006, 07:14 PM   #3
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How do you "prevent gun violence"...?
A good first step would be by identifying the actual problem (which is "criminals"), instead of indulging in spintalk.
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Old 10-18-2006, 10:33 AM   #4
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How do you "prevent gun violence"...?
How about door-to-door searches. If the police find a gun, but no permit, all occupants of said how get executed on the spot.
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Old 10-18-2006, 10:35 AM   #5
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How do you "prevent gun violence"...?
More cops? Oh wait....then we'd have to raise taxes. Better check with Maggie to see if that expense is on her "collectivism" list. We'd also better inform the police to be careful of RZ, he doesn't trust cops, you know.:p
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Old 10-18-2006, 07:44 PM   #6
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More cops? Oh wait....then we'd have to raise taxes. Better check with Maggie to see if that expense is on her "collectivism" list.
Actually, I don't think the gun crime problem is amenable to attack with "more cops" as long as the judges won't send the criminals to jail, and the urban mayors won't build enough jails to hold them. Criminals know that the chances that they will face meaningful punishment is very, very small.
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Old 10-19-2006, 11:11 AM   #7
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Actually, I don't think the gun crime problem is amenable to attack with "more cops" as long as the judges won't send the criminals to jail, and the urban mayors won't build enough jails to hold them. Criminals know that the chances that they will face meaningful punishment is very, very small.
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? Oh wait....then we'd have to raise taxes. Better check with Maggie to see if that expense is on her "collectivism" list.
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Old 10-19-2006, 01:09 PM   #8
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jails
I'm perfectly willing to have the government collect taxes to pay for law enforcement; that is a proper function of government.

Oh, by the way, your sig line is totally bogus.
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Violence is the last refuge of the incompetant"-Robert A. Heinlein
Heinlein never, ever said that. You've confused him with Asimov's character in the Foundation series, Hari Seldon. Which pretty much indicates you haven't read much Heinlien...or if you did you didn't inhale

Appropriate Heinlein quotes might be:

"Place your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark."
or
"An armed society is a polite society."
or
"There are no dangerous weapons. There are only dangerous men."
or
"I am opposed to all attempts to license or restrict the arming of individuals... I consider such laws a violation of civil liberty, subversive of democratic political institutions, and self-defeating in their purpose."

Heinlein and Asimov had nothing in common except both being SF writers and having worked together at the Frankford Arsenel in Philly duriung WWII. Hanging his name on that wishful pacifism desecrates his memory.
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Old 10-17-2006, 03:26 PM   #9
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Wage a war against gun crime?
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Old 10-17-2006, 03:28 PM   #10
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The same way the "war on drugs" made people stop doing drugs?
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Old 10-17-2006, 03:36 PM   #11
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Sorry, I was being ironic (sarcastic)

As you were.
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Old 10-17-2006, 03:56 PM   #12
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It's too late for "sorry" . . . we're obligated to have a knife-fight now.
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Old 10-19-2006, 01:36 PM   #13
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My error, correcting
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Old 10-19-2006, 02:11 PM   #14
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I would kill someone to avoid being killed myself or to defend my family from being killed, but I sure would think first about how to RUN AWAAYYY (monty python) because I would really hate to kill someone and have that on my conscience but also because explaining it, defending my actions, and basically trying to fix the problem caused by having killed someone would be such a royal pain.. I'd rather avoid that.
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Old 10-19-2006, 02:30 PM   #15
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I'd rather avoid that.
Which is the origin of the expression "I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six."
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