If you outlaw guns, then only.... - Page 11

MaggieL · 10-23-2006, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

I have lots of friends. They would share with me. Don't you have that kind of relationship with people? Oh, I should have known.

I do. And that's why I know quite a few rape victims who have told very, very few people about their assault. Especially male people who might say something like...

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Originally Posted by spexxvet

I said rape twice - I like rape.

MaggieL · 10-23-2006, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Or maybe you're not admitting the truth, or you just don't know, or you don't want to jeopardize your argument.

When you shoot with someone, you discover pretty quickly what their firearms hygene is like, just as when you fly with somone you can tell their attitudes towards aviation safety.

I suppose it's a lot easier to flatly accuse someone of lying without grounds than it is to present a cogent argument.

But it's far less convincing.

MaggieL · 10-23-2006, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot

OK.
a) I said "people I know" not "friends". So, the moron comment will have to be saved for later.
b) You probably have a lot more gun owning friends, than I do. I live in the country and every dick and his dog has a gun. Many have more guns than teeth, if you get my drift.

So the "moron" comment was saved for later...exactly three sentences later.

Aliantha · 10-23-2006, 08:55 PM

Spex...I'm very curious to know what you mean when you say 'I like rape'. Explanation?

Urbane Guerrilla · 10-23-2006, 09:39 PM

He's quoting -- and I believe rather misquoting -- two lines from a couple of the villains in Blazing Saddles.

Urbane Guerrilla · 10-23-2006, 10:05 PM

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Their clarity is lost on you, then. I am actually pro-death penalty. I am NOT pro-vigilante-ism. If everyone were to pack a gun, there would be many more innocent deaths.

Here too is another fantasy not borne out by historical or sociological research. There is at least one book out on vigilantism in California, citing occurrences in San Francisco and Bodie. I had the good fortune to read it, but suffer the bad fortune of being unable to recall its title, alas.

To begin with, armed self-defense is hardly vigilantism, but simply something humans will and can do, and which is a human right, after all. Vigilantism occurs when the citizenry believe, correctly or not, that the operation of justice is either inadequate or so corrupted it cannot actually do justice. In the California examples, vigilantism was an ad-hoc response to inadequacy of the judiciary to actually do something about crime, either general or in a specific case. Committees of Vigilance never lasted beyond an immediate problem -- after all, there was no money in it. One only sees vigilante action if the justice system, both juridicial and enforcement, has broken down and manifested incompetence at the social protection it's supposed to perform.

And this is not the belief among any of the correspondents in this thread: we all think the judiciary and law enforcement work, at least well enough.

Nor is there anything about innocents that gravitationally attracts promiscuous stray bullets. In the heavily-armed frontier era, the gun carriers made a point of not slinging lead at anyone, like frontier women, who wasn't slinging lead at them. Even then, the butchers' bill was not extreme. In the year before it was incorporated as a city, and believed by researchers to be its most man-eating year, Dodge City, Kansas had five homicides, total. This was generally true of experience all over the West: far less gunfighting than movies (dramas, you know?) would lead you to believe, and near ubiquitous carrying and possession -- subject to local ordinances, aimed at reducing shooting within city limits, but unconcerned with any firing one might be called upon to do outside them. It goes to illustrate Ringer's Paradox: that a freedom restricted is a freedom preserved. The art of the thing is not to over-restrict, which I believe is too often the case -- and a policy supported by uninformed opinion.

Spexxvet · 10-24-2006, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Spex...I'm very curious to know what you mean when you say 'I like rape'. Explanation?

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Hedley Lamarr: Qualifications?
Applicant: Rape, murder, arson, and rape.
Hedley Lamarr: You said rape twice.
Applicant: I like rape.

From Blazing Saddles

I know rape is not funny.

Spexxvet · 10-24-2006, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

I do. And that's why I know quite a few rape victims who have told very, very few people about their assault. Especially male people who might say something like...

Another example that Maggie has no sense of humor.

Spexxvet · 10-24-2006, 09:30 AM

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Father Accused of Pulling Gun at Pee Wee Football Game
Police say he was upset son didn't get enough playing time

Police say Derkotch did have a weapons permit.

From here.

Yeah, those legal gun owners sure are responsible, upstanding, reasonable folks who show good judgement...NOT

Flint · 10-24-2006, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

From here.

Fox "is not a source"

MaggieL · 10-24-2006, 11:03 AM

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Another example that Maggie has no sense of humor.

Yeah, rape is just so damned funny I forgot to laugh.

Flint · 10-24-2006, 11:05 AM

Just catch up with everybody else and "get" the damn reference.

MaggieL · 10-24-2006, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Yeah, those legal gun owners sure are responsible, upstanding, reasonable folks who show good judgement...NOT

Did you read the entire story? Like here if you don't like Fox.

The headlines screaming "man pulls gun because his son wasn't getting played" are false. Both Derkoch (5 feet 9, 215 pounds) and the referee who assaulted him (6 feet 3, 250 pounds) were charged. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the courts; the AgAssault is a felony; if convicted Derkoch will lose his permit.

MaggieL · 10-24-2006, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

Just catch up with everybody else and "get" the damn reference.

Sorry, you'll have to enlighten me as to in which very hip context rape is funny.

Happy Monkey · 10-24-2006, 11:19 AM

It's been mentioned twice already.

10-23-2006, 08:55 PM	#154
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Spex...I'm very curious to know what you mean when you say 'I like rape'. Explanation? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	He's quoting -- and I believe rather misquoting -- two lines from a couple of the villains in Blazing Saddles. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

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10-24-2006, 11:19 AM	#165
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