Kill the Messenger - this time the LA Times

[classicman]

Originally Posted by tw

You believe because, well classicman, you only post ridicule. That is the extent of your knowledge. The topic In this thread is GM. When did you post a useful fact here? Never. You only have right wing political biases.

You mustn't assume I was talking about you tw. Please show where my post that you quoted specifically references YOU? Nevermind save yourself the time, It doesn't. You assumed - again. It was actually meant as a general statement. There were no disparaging remarks nor belittling insults levied, unless they were in your emotional imagination - again.

Additionally, I do not have any "right wing political biases." In fact, if you looked at all the political compass tests that I've taken & results posted you will see PROOF that I am leaning far more liberal than anything else.

As far as Rush Limbaugh is concerned... I think he is an asshat with his own political agenda that differs GREATLY from mine. If you happened to notice through my recent posts, I am very torn as far as who to vote for in this election. That in itself displays my moderate stance.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

You mustn't assume I was talking about you tw.

Again you demonstrate my point. classicman is again posting without demonstrating knowledge. Somehow he assumed this is about me. classicman routinely has opinions based only on feeling - without demonstrating grasp of facts.

You may feel Rush is an asshat. But you routinely do what Rush also does.

[classicman]

What??? Geez man, you need to relax. I made a joke (note the poo poo) and you got all bent outta shape. I took your post directed at me, you even quoted me, and responded in kind. That's the way a conversation works.

I even went so far as to address your "points" from your last post, no matter how weak they were.

Now please share with the world which facts from the last 8 or 10 posts demonstrate anything at all about GM?

I just have to ask you, tw, one thing -

1) Do you try to be this rude and arrogant or does it come naturally?

[classicman]

Originally Posted by tw

Anything to promote the concept of innovation. In a great California tradition, I am will to try anything maybe.

Isn't 'virgin' a disease that must be cured? I know many people who would volunteer to cure such diseases. (Isn't that also called safe sex?)

Originally Posted by tw

Haven't I stuck it enough to George Jr? I'm good at sticking things.

Was it not the cherished student John "Bluto" Blutarsky who lead that famous chant ... "Virgin Virgin Virgin ..." So a party resulted.

Originally Posted by tw

As usual, the wacko extremist will promote for one whose campaign staff is dominated by George Jr extremists. classicman, your extremist politics makes you so predictable. You again want to turn a thread nasty.

All I was talking about was good clean sex. Oh. Wacko extremists also fear sex?

Originally Posted by tw

Hedoes not yet know how acidic and extremist you are. That will be obvious once he learns you have never been the brightest bulb on the tree. And that your deserve every insult you get.

UG spent 20 years in the military and never got promoted higher than Corporal. No wonder he can relate to George Jr.

Originally Posted by tw

There will always be a problem when one posts only after learning the reasons why while another posts facetious personal attacks.

Please explain to me which of these posts demonstrate EXACTLY that which you are demeaning and ridiculing me for?

I see nothing in any of them about GM. Please explain to me where I am wrong.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

Do you try to be this rude and arrogant or does it come naturally?

Look in the mirror, classicman. My posts to you will routinely be in the tone you set at least one year ago. Strange how you don't like posts that only duplicate your attitude.

You don't see me posting this way to others. Others at least posted supporting facts for their opinion. You post opinions laced in mockery and insult - in the tradition of Rush Limbaugh.

[classicman]

So you in turn are acting exactly the same way that you admonish others for posting. Hmm, seems very hypocritical. And yes you have acted this way to others. Please do not trot that horse out - he will not run this race.

You also conveniently avoided the reality of post #139

[Griff]

I've been using the ignore feature on UG for a while because his nonsense was getting reactions from me similar to what you merc and ug have whenever tw posts. There has been an unfortunate cost to this. The right wing nuts have ruled the board for quite some time. Reasonable opinions are lost in the smack downs. TW is not always on target but he has a perspective that we need. If you don't want to be considered part of a right wing enforcement squad quit the me too game and post your own opinions.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by Griff

TW is not always on target but he has a perspective that we need. If you don't want to be considered part of a right wing enforcement squad quit the me too game and post your own opinions.

I happen to agree.

It's also useful to remember what happens when you wrestle with a pig. The recent petty sniping has really turned me off.

[classicman]

That's where my message gets lost - I'm interested in other peoples opinions yet his constant belittling, deservedly so, of the current administration for the last four years has been notably biased. From one who purports to be "unemotional" and simply interested in "facts" the reality is that he is apparently as far left as UG is far right. I even asked twice for his opinions on the liberals and his response said it all. He completely turned it into another conservative bashing - typical with his agenda. It simply amazes me that a guy who seems so intelligent can be so blind at the same time.
I've posted things I should probably not have - I thought I was trying to find some middle ground, but there doesn't seem to be any with him.

As far as your comment "The right wing nuts have ruled the board for quite some time." That is not something I have seen in my years of lurking or since joining the board.

Thanks for the advice though - I appreciate it and I apologize.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

That's where my message gets lost - I'm interested in other peoples opinions yet his constant belittling, deservedly so, of the current administration for the last four years has been notably biased.

I simply saw reality before you did. When did you realize that Saddam's WMD claims were myths? (I believe you were not here when tw was so adamant about that.) When did you realize that George Jr would subvert the Oslo Accords? When did you realize that George Jr was making the world less stable by unilaterally canceling international treaties? When did you finally admit we were routinely torturing people - and denying it? When did you finally realize that George Jr's administration had violated most every requirement that justifies war - literally Pearl Harbored another nation? When did you finally realize that "Mission Accomplished" was an American created civil war; not a war against a mythical Al Qaeda in Iraq?

Biased is when another recognized reality before you did? Nonsense. tw identified George Jr early on when it was not popular and when George Jr even tried to restart confrontation with North Korea - literally trashed Carter's solution. What did George Jr eventually do because of pressure from S Korea, China, and others? George Jr finally reimplemented the Carter solution. Who saw this before you did? And that is called bias?

Meanwhile, your replies to these posts were to belittle this author. Your intelligence is now openly questioned because my posts to you are mirror images of what you posted for so long previously.

But again, tw posts “reasons why” in response to another classicman unsubstantiated accusation of bias. When do you post supporting facts for that accusation? But again, classicman posts without any supporting facts.

[classicman]

Biting tongue & smiling politely

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

Biting tongue & smiling politely

Meanwhile you do the exact same attacks in If Moore's Law hits a sinkhole... . You even admit you know nothing about Quantum Computing but you post opinions of Radar anyway. That is an attack posted in a discussion you have no business even posting in. You know nothing useful. You admit you don't even know anything about the topic. But classicman again had to post *opinions* anyway.

No I am not smiling politely. I am being blunt honest about how classicman posts. How silly. When classicman gets treated as he treats other, then he complains? Meanwhile, classicman is still doing the same disparaging *opinions* (without any supporting facts) in a discussion about Quantum Computers. In short, classicman routinely belittles others especially when he does not understand the topic. He even admits he has nothing useful to offer – but posts belittlement anyway.

[glatt]

tw, he's trying to back off. Why don't you drop it too?

[tw]

Originally Posted by glatt

tw, he's trying to back off. Why don't you drop it too?

Let see. I treated him logically for about one year of his abuse. So maybe in another year, I will back off. Fair is fair. And being more of a hardass conservative then him, he should expect such treatment.

BTW, if he was trying to backoff, then why is he posting same acidic remarks in If Moore's Law hits a sinkhole... ? Why more acidic posts even in a discussion he admits he knows nothing about? You call that backing off? Hardly.

classicman is but one example of the new posting style openly condoned in the Cellar. Once a published author named Barak hardly said anything, but inflamed others. So he was banned. Once a teenager named April was banned for simply posting as a teenager probably begging for help. Now posts from classicman and Urbane Guerrilla are condoned? When I simply do unto classicman as he does onto others, you would complain?

glatt - your very first post should have questioned why Urbane Guerrilla is routinely condoned. Why the double standard?

Meanwhile, classicman demonstrates no interest in apologizing for posting in the tradition of Rush Limbaugh. Suddenly he does not like it only when one mirrors his posting style. Maybe in about a year, I will change. But as I warned many months ago, this is the new posting standards now acceptable in the Cellar. Get used to it - or start with where these new standards are routinely encouraged - Urbane Guerrilla. I have no problem using classicman as the poster boy for our new posting standards. I don't recall you standing up months ago when this new Cellar standard was criticized by me? Or do you really like it when classicman belittles others?

[glatt]

If you look at the time stamps of the posts, you will see that you guys have been throwing mud at each other all over the Cellar in multiple threads, but classic stopped this morning. You are just now reading those other posts where he threw mud last night, so you think the mud is still flying.

I'm hoping you both stop, because I'm sick of it, but you both have free will, so it's up to you.

To answer your question about Urbane, I give his political posts exactly zero value, so I don't even read them. Maybe newcomers will give his posts weight, and that does disturb me a little, but I don't think any Dwellars who have been around for more than a few months give his posts any weight. He's like a tree falling in the forest with nobody around to witness.

You build your own reputation here with each post.