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Werepandas - lurking in your shadows
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BigV - You are correct. I need to focus. I get caught up in prior bad acts being admissible if they show a pattern. Everyone knows I am biased. I truly can't help it. It is based upon my experiences. That is what frustrates me. How many of you have dealt with Freddie Grays in the real world? If you had to interact with him daily, how you deal would with a career criminal with a history of beating people and dealing drugs????????
It is very easy easy for you to sit in your ivory towers of justice. I challenge you to post what you did for minorities in your area and the minorities in your area.
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08-04-2016, 03:31 PM
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We have to go back, Kate!
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I've taught some of the Freddie Grays of this world. In terms of criminality and violence, not in terms of minorities. Some of the people in my literacy class were serial offenders bouncing about institutions and the judicial system, unemployed and forced, under threat of loss of benefits, to attend classes with us to improve their literacy and numeracy. All the tutors in that place carried personal alarms whilst working. They were a small percentage of the people we taught, but they were there. Granted they were likely to behave differently with us than with a police officer in the process of trying to arrest them, but we had our moments. I also spent much of my teens and early 20s among a fairly drug-soaked and occasionally criminal set of people, some of whom I absolutely would describe as thugs. And some of whom I would class as dangerous. Again, as an unemployed twenty year old living in that environment and friends with them they would have acted differently with me than they would with a police officer trying to arrest them. But then I was one of them in my own way. You accuse people here of living in ivory towers, and not having seen or encountered people like this guy - and you're right that we won't have seen them the way a police officer would see them - but then you won't have seen them the way I have seen them. There wasn't a single one of our circle, myself included, who hadn't been arrested at least a couple of times. And a man J snd I both counted as one of our best mates was an out and out thug and criminal. He was a dangerous man. He was in and out of prison for drug and violence offences. He had little, self-done swastika tattoos on his hand - which he was pretty ashamed of by the time we knew him, having done them very young. I know of at least two people that he beat the shit out of during the time we were friends with him. One of them was a friend of who kept stealing from him - he shattered his cheek bone and orbital socket. Bizarrely they remained friends after that. He was also very kind in his own way - funny, charming, self-aware. Also a drug dealer, drug addict and severely mentally ill. He could barely read, but had a sharp intelligence and philosophical bent. He was the product of an upbringing that included extreme violence, long periods of state care, and psychiatric treatment including ECT at the age of 14. He was the most extreme example - but most of the people we hung out with were criminal in one way or another and there was violence. We were all unemployed and on benefits, trying to scrape by and pretty much distanced from the world of regular work and stability. Generally in an adversarial relationship with the job centre and other representatives of authority. Most of us took, and many sold drugs. There were at least two thieves in the group - shoplifting and burglary mainly. But for me, they were just my mates. They were individuals, characters, human. I don't doubt to the police officers who encountered them, along with the various other authority figures who encountered them (and us) they were just faceless scrotes, druggies, benefits scroungers and thugs.
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08-04-2016, 09:45 AM
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"Everyone knows I am biased."
Don't sweat it...each and every one of us is biased. Last edited by henry quirk; 08-04-2016 at 09:58 AM. |
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08-04-2016, 03:03 PM
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Radical Centrist
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It's a fair question. Difficult question that we are mostly not allowed to ask.
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08-04-2016, 05:51 PM
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Werepandas - lurking in your shadows
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Dana, you made a good point.
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08-04-2016, 08:49 PM
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Radical Centrist
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I'm biased too. Against all the Freddie Grays out there. And for them. Definitely. Spend some time, you know. I hoped for redemption for everyone.
The pawn shop never felt better than when the cops were visiting. Never felt worse than when a thug was selling a broken charm bracelet. Where, on one hand, you had to do the math of how much is this worth in 14k gold? And on the other hand, you had to do the math of how does this guy come to have a charm bracelet, and is it broken because it was literally ripped off some girl's arm? I always made sure the thugs were paid shit, and they were too dumb to even know anyway; that's what I did for that community. |
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08-05-2016, 10:21 AM
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Werepandas - lurking in your shadows
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Folks, we've had some lively discussion. As much as I hate to admit it, I have looked at somethings in a different light. I probably won't change, but I do think about the points you have made.
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08-05-2016, 11:43 AM
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Big Sarge, working in the public defenders office, I see so much crap. Mostly I'm tired of thieves. Get your own job and buy your own shit. I got jaded, after being a lifelong bleedin heart. So your points are understood.
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08-05-2016, 12:52 PM
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Enforkment
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We have to go back, Kate!
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We have to go back, Kate!
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It is in Denmark
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10-21-2016, 12:57 PM
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10-21-2016, 01:00 PM
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Another care of some damn cop butting in and saving someone's life.
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10-21-2016, 02:20 PM
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The Un-Tuckian
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Man, don't ya hate it when they get all lifesavey?
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