Watching the Democrats - it's Fun and Macabre!

[ZenGum]

Originally Posted by Adak

Unlike liberals, I shy away from redefining words, to suit my POV atm.

Socialism has already been well defined:



All socialism definitions have this in common - your freedoms become less - sometimes MUCH less. The control by the state becomes more - sometimes MUCH more.

Congratulations, you have cut-and-pasted from Wikipedia. If you go on and read the entire entry, you will see that not all things called socialism require social ownership of the means of production.

Do "my" freedoms become less? Well the freedoms of the ultra-rich to screw everyone else for their private benefit do indeed become less. That is why I like it.

but .. as you wish. Let's use "socialism" to mean systems where the means of production are under collective ownership/control, as you say.

It immediately follows that there is no way Obama can be called a socialist. A tax-and-spend welfare supporter, maybe, but he has shown no sign of seizing the means of production.

Secondly, we now need a new word to describe the spectrum of what I had previously called socialism. Then we can sensibly debate which things ought to be the concern of government and which not. I invite you to suggest a new term.

Originally Posted by Adak

Yes, those plastic stocks really add a TREMENDOUS ferocity to the rifle, don't they? People just fall down dead when they see plastic, don't ya know?

Same bullet
Same barrel
Same firing mechanism
Same ejector mechanism
Same breech
Sights can be the same, or different, depending on the type of game it's intended for.

The longer stock on the long rifle, allows a better "float" system to be used, if ultra accuracy is desired.

The carbine (shorter stocked rifle), has a banana clip on it. I haven't seen a high capacity clip for the longer rifle, but they may be out there.

The longer barreled rifle will give the bullet more speed than the shorter barreled versions, increasing it's range and energy.

Way to try to hide the key point in weasel words. Even you have agreed that no law abiding gun user needs a 20 or 30 round magazine. Why did you bother?

[classicman]

"Why Does Anybody Need a 30-Round Magazine? "
Googled it out of curiosity ... and found this

[Ibby]

so basically the answer is "because black people and poor people are scary"?

[classicman]

lol ... is that what it said? I didn't even read it.

[Ibby]

well there's a section titled "Gang Bangers and the Knockout Game"
with the gem of a line

Although the Web page and the book it promotes focuses on black racial violence, there is similar Caucasian-on-black crime, such as that perpetrated by the Ku Klux Klan.

as if that makes it any better at all?

[classicman]

Maybe I should read that. Hang on...

[classicman]

Senator Feinstein's latest attack on the Second Amendment relies entirely on public ignorance of firearms and their legitimate uses, and this ignorance extends even to many people who support the principles of the Second Amendment.
Education is the cure for ignorance

[ZenGum]

The examples they cite are (1) military case in the Philippines (2) a police officer and (3) the knockout game of which they provide an example which doesn't fit the description they offer.
Then there is (4) the "scenario" the train for of four or five criminals attacking you.

1 and 2 are irrelevant, no one is talking about limiting military or police weapons. 3 and 4 don't support their argument, because as we all know, criminals are the first to get and carry guns. You know the slogan, if guns are illegal ... etc. So a 15 round tek-9 isn't going to do much against four gangbangers who also have tek-9s.

[Ibby]

also, like, the number of people not involved in the drug trade or gang life, who are intentionally attacked or killed by gang members, is unbelievably small. Like, single digits a year. Almost all armed robberies/muggings are entirely unrelated to gangs, because gangs have much better shit to do than draw heat for going after "civilians".

Meanwhile, hundreds die to accidental discharges, "freak" accidents (that aren't really "freak" because they happen pretty often), domestic violence, and the pandemic nature of gun violence in general in this country. The whole article is entirely illogical, nonsensical, and disingenuous.

[classicman]

According to the FBI, the violent crime rate has dropped to half of what it was in 1992.

The murder rate? Same thing - it dropped nearly fifty percent as well to only 4.7 per 100,000.

[Ibby]

It's still higher than any other "first-world" nation, and terrifyingly high. Just cause it's not as bad as it has been doesn't mean we shouldn't be fucking ashamed.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I'm not terrified.
I even travel below the Mason Dixon line on a regular basis.

[IamSam]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I'm not terrified.
I even travel below the Mason Dixon line on a regular basis.

I've been known to hang out below the poverty line, myself.

[xoxoxoBruce]

OMG Sam, how did you avoid becoming a statistic.

[IamSam]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

OMG Sam, how did you avoid becoming a statistic.

Hah! It wasn't easy. I'm still hanging out here at the bottom of the fiscal cliff out in Island in the Sky Nat'l Park. It's a sunny morning, but cold!