Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

[lookout123]

If the principal apologized and acknowledged he handled it incorrectly then that should be the end of it for that school district and the kids involved. There is no reason to sue over an issue that is already resolved.

As with most things in the cellar the mistake at the school was just a source of topic for discussion. The discussion is both more(because it is about ideas and beliefs) and less (because nothing we spew onto the internet effects anything) important than the event. I personally find it bizarre that anyone actually thinks the principal's actions were justified and that is what I entered this thread to discuss.

[squirell nutkin]

Lookout, do you ever feel that threads on the cellar resemble life several yards to the side of the soccer field?

[toranokaze]

First:

On June 7, 2005, the U.S. Congress issued a Concurrent Resolution calling on the President of the United States to issue a proclamation calling upon the people of the United States to observe Cinco de Mayo with appropriate ceremonies and activities

Library of Congress (U.S.A.) Declaration Retrieved February 6, 2009.


Secondly :

§ Clothing, headgear, or symbols related to gang activities or clothing determined to be gang related by administration or resource officer

~schools dress code


So if the school can though the students were acting as a gang the school was well with in its right to make them change their shirts.

Furthermore, intent is very important to the American Justice system legally known as Mens Rea, and to incite imminent lawless action is the a satute for curbing free speech in greater world (Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444
(1969)).

But this is a school.

I remember high school; you were guilty till proven innocent, speech and expression where curb, you had no expected right to privacy .

[skysidhe]

Originally Posted by toranokaze

First:


Library of Congress (U.S.A.) Declaration Retrieved February 6, 2009.


Secondly :
~schools dress code


So if the school can though the students were acting as a gang the school was well with in its right to make them change their shirts.

Furthermore, intent is very important to the American Justice system legally known as Mens Rea, and to incite imminent lawless action is the a satute for curbing free speech in greater world (Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444
(1969)).

But this is a school.

I remember high school; you were guilty till proven innocent, speech and expression where curb, you had no expected right to privacy .

The school administrator didn't think the kids wearing flags were a gang. He thought there were kids who would be 'offended' by was reason to ask them to take it off saying it was 'their' holiday. Just by saying some kids are offended and its their holiday, he is creating division himself. Anyone should be able to wear anything they want within school dress codes.


If wearing a flag is ok any other day then it should be ok on that day as well. I mean we are trying to teach cultural tolerance but .....

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[Aliantha]

We have uniform codes in every school I know about over here. These sorts of things just aren't issues due to this, which I think is a good thing.

With regard to flags on clothing, there's heaps of items you can get with aussie flags or portions of it printed on them. In fact, I just bought a pair of board shorts for Aden which look like they've been made out of a flag - although of course it's just material printed to look like one. I don't have a problem with it and in fact think it's a nice show of patriotism.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

We have uniform codes in every school I know about over here. These sorts of things just aren't issues due to this, which I think is a good thing.

They do here too, as a matter of fact what they were wearing was perfectly fine with the school the day before... and any other day.

[Aliantha]

When I said uniform codes, I meant that all the kids wear exactly the same thing (except for underwear of course).

Yeah yeah...socialist nanny state I know, but it does help in some ways.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Oh, uniforms. Nope, the redheads don't want to wear red. Green makes my ass look fat. Black is depressing. etc, etc, etc...

[skysidhe]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

When I said uniform codes, I meant that all the kids wear exactly the same thing (except for underwear of course).

Yeah yeah...socialist nanny state I know, but it does help in some ways.

Here in the US there are both kinds of dress codes for schools just as there is anywhere. Uniform or casual.

One school in my city has a strict uniform code because of gangs. It isn't so much of a problem at the school anymore but the code still stands. The code is you can only wear plain green or blue polo shirts and khaki pants. That's it. I don't even think they can wear make up or jewelry if I remember right.

All the other public schools here have a lenient code like no showing mid-drifts,or whatever the issue of the school is and what they do not want to see.

[Aliantha]

It's true, some uniforms are horrible, but when there's no other choice, kids just stop arguing. It helps that it's across the board nationwide, so it doesn't matter what school you go to, there's going to be a uniform. Public or private.

There are a couple of exceptions, but they're usually vocational schools and are mostly for senior kids.

[lookout123]

Lil Lookout's school has uniforms as do a lot of the schools in AZ. Nothing wrong with that, but the principal's issue wasn't with dress code it was with the american flag being displayed on 5 May 10.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by lookout123

Lil Lookout's school has uniforms as do a lot of the schools in AZ. Nothing wrong with that, but the principal's issue wasn't with dress code it was with the american flag being displayed on 5 May 10.

What I was trying to point out was that when everyone has to wear exactly the same thing, this situation would never even have occured.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Yes, that was clear, but they would have found some other way to piss off Asst Principal Miguel Rodriguez .

[Aliantha]

Oh undoubtedly. That's what teenage boys do.

[classicman]

Bwahahahaha @xob - you really are an s.o.b.