Times are tough all over - Page 10

classicman · 10-13-2008, 10:15 PM

and if the sperm donor can't pay?

TheMercenary · 10-13-2008, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

and if the sperm donor can't pay?

Not my problem. No way. No fucking how. I would fully support free birth control and orphanages. You can't pay for your spawn, give it up and we will care for it and give it to someone who can.

Clodfobble · 10-14-2008, 12:08 AM

Ah, you're just bitter because your tax deductions are moving out one by one...

Sundae · 10-14-2008, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jinx

If you're all happy with the system you've got in place, well I think think it's fantastic.... although I wonder if so many hard working people would need help from social programs, paid for by taxes, if their taxes weren't so high. The hoops you have to jump thru to get the help have to cost a percentage of those taxes eh, making it more expensive than if you'd kept your money and bought what you needed yourself?

Also, it seems like the word welfare is a hot button of sorts... why is welfare bad if social programs are good?

It's like insurance. We pay in via taxes, you pay in as individuals. No-one has the right to look down on you for making a claim on your car insurance, house insurance even health insurance. The difference is that the money is there for people who otherwise can't afford it at specific times - Grandad certainly wouldn't have imagined living until 86 alone with someone coming in to wash and dress him, with expensive medicines and regular falls necessitating hospital visits. But when he was a young and lusty scene shifter working at Covent Garden Opera House, his taxes were paying for other children's dental care and teenagers like my Dad in isolation on a TB ward.

I know it is seen very differently in America and I am certainly not trying to change your mind. I was just trying to show how we see it, so the posts make sense.

I understand a lot more about America reading the posts here and it is helpful rather than divisive. But like the idea of what constitutes a decent cup of tea, you tend to be comfortable with what you grew up with

TheMercenary · 10-14-2008, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Ah, you're just bitter because your tax deductions are moving out one by one...

I am not sure many of the tax deductions will go away as much as the NoBama's will find a way to take more of what I earn away. I have no problem with it, as long as everyone from those making $1 to $1 million dollars pays the same percentage. But since those at the top tiers already pay the majority of taxes and those at the bottom pay none, how are those at the bottom going to get a tax break?

Shawnee123 · 10-14-2008, 08:25 AM

Huh?

Clodfobble · 10-14-2008, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I am not sure many of the tax deductions will go away as much as the NoBama's will find a way to take more of what I earn away.

But according to you, as sperm supplier you never should have had tax deductions for your kids anyway, right?

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Not my problem. No way. No fucking how. I would fully support free birth control and orphanages. You can't pay for your spawn, give it up and we will care for it and give it to someone who can.

TheMercenary · 10-14-2008, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

But according to you, as sperm supplier you never should have had tax deductions for your kids anyway, right?

But if you give them to me. And since I have had children, and have been taking them for 21 years, and then you take them away to pay for some other spawn who does not pay taxes, and most likely never did, that is a problem.

classicman · 10-14-2008, 09:46 AM

Huh? Both of you lost me on this one.

Clodfobble · 10-14-2008, 09:59 AM

Well, Merc was bitching about taxpayer-funded programs, of the kind he believes Obama will increase by taking more of Merc's money. I indirectly pointed out that Merc himself has been taking advantage of a taxpayer-funded social perk all these years, in the form of tax deductions for his children. Just because they didn't call it "welfare" doesn't mean he isn't getting a break from the government to help raise his kids.

His response seems to be that it's okay to give back money to people who already pay taxes, it's giving free money to people who pay no taxes that he has a problem with--but I'm not entirely sure, his last post above isn't terribly clear.

Shawnee123 · 10-14-2008, 10:11 AM

And worthy to note, in most cases the money you are getting "back" is not money you paid out during the year. You are getting back more than paid out i.e. a total tax liability in the negative range.

glatt · 10-14-2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

His response seems to be ..... but I'm not entirely sure, his last post above isn't terribly clear.

If Clodfobble can't understanding a post, ain't nobody gonna understand that post.

TheMercenary · 10-14-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

His response seems to be that it's okay to give back money to people who already pay taxes, it's giving free money to people who pay no taxes that he has a problem with.

She gets it.

Shawnee123 · 10-14-2008, 10:18 AM

Getting money you haven't paid out...same damn thing.

You paid 1000 over the year. You do your taxes. You get 5000 back.

Welfare ho in sheepish clothing!

TheMercenary · 10-14-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Getting money you haven't paid out...same damn thing.

You paid 1000 over the year. You do your taxes. You get 5000 back.

Welfare ho in sheepish clothing!

Well actually it doesn't work that way. I pay $60000 in taxes and get a break by not being futher taxed on the rest of the money I make by subtracting the $5000 from the top. Hardly the same thing.

How about this. I make $18000 a year, I pay no taxes. Now give me my free health care and I want a burger with fries too.

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10-14-2008, 08:25 AM	#141
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Huh? __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

10-14-2008, 09:46 AM	#144
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Huh? Both of you lost me on this one. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-14-2008, 09:59 AM	#145
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Well, Merc was bitching about taxpayer-funded programs, of the kind he believes Obama will increase by taking more of Merc's money. I indirectly pointed out that Merc himself has been taking advantage of a taxpayer-funded social perk all these years, in the form of tax deductions for his children. Just because they didn't call it "welfare" doesn't mean he isn't getting a break from the government to help raise his kids. His response seems to be that it's okay to give back money to people who already pay taxes, it's giving free money to people who pay no taxes that he has a problem with--but I'm not entirely sure, his last post above isn't terribly clear. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

10-14-2008, 10:11 AM	#146
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	And worthy to note, in most cases the money you are getting "back" is not money you paid out during the year. You are getting back more than paid out i.e. a total tax liability in the negative range. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

10-14-2008, 10:18 AM	#149
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Getting money you haven't paid out...same damn thing. You paid 1000 over the year. You do your taxes. You get 5000 back. Welfare ho in sheepish clothing! __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

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