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xoxoxoBruce · 12-17-2006, 01:05 PM

"our nation was founded to remove us from tyrants"

Aliantha · 12-17-2006, 04:41 PM

That might be so bruce, but my question had more to do with the second part of that quote which was and keep us from becoming tyrants who practice cruel and unusual punishments.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-18-2006, 06:35 AM

"Keep us from becoming tyrants who practice cruel and unusual punishments", on us, not you.

Seriously though, the Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights, of the United States of America, were never intended to apply to anyone outside our border. Our relationship with other countries wasn't addressed for years after our revolutionary war was over.

Of course it wasn't an issue until after our civil war, except those uppity Brits needed their ass smacked in 1812 and minor problems with the pesky Mexicans.

But a riff with the Spanish was all that needed attending until WWI. Since WWI our relationship with the World has been in flux. Militarily more reactive than proactive until Vietnam. Covertly, who the hell knows?

By the way, I see the Aussie's have taken delivery of their first C-17 and the Canucks are ordering some. They are a great way to get the UN peacekeeping operations staffed and supplied. I wonder if these purchases are in anticipation of lots of UN missions to come?
We'll fuck 'em up, you clean 'em up.

JayMcGee · 12-18-2006, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

"[i]Seriously though, the Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights, of the United States of America, were never intended to apply to anyone outside our border. Our relationship with other countries wasn't addressed for years after our revolutionary war was over..........

We'll fuck 'em up, you clean 'em up.

well, at least you had the decency to blush....

But, rest of the world, remember...... it is writ into the US constituion that US foreign policy is directed to furthering and protecting US interests abroad.

And they mean precisely that.

Undertoad · 12-18-2006, 08:12 PM

Yes, as opposed to all those other countries whose foreign policy is directed to reducing and placing at risk their interests.

JayMcGee · 12-18-2006, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Yes, as opposed to all those other countries whose foreign policy is directed to reducing and placing at risk their interests.

well, there you have it from the horses mouth, so to speak.

BTW, just how do you yanks spell 'altruism'? Is there a dollar $ign in there somewhere?

Undertoad · 12-18-2006, 08:46 PM

Can somebody please find that bigotry thread? I have an addition to it.

Urbane Guerrilla · 12-18-2006, 08:56 PM

I wasn't going to say anything, but Jay's remark is ill received.

JayMcGee · 12-18-2006, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JayMcGee

it is writ into the US constituion that US foreign policy is directed to furthering and protecting US interests abroad.......

.

So? Am I wrong?

Undertoad · 12-18-2006, 09:28 PM

No, you're ignorant, which is somewhat different.

Aliantha · 12-19-2006, 12:16 AM

By the way, I see the Aussie's have taken delivery of their first C-17 and the Canucks are ordering some. They are a great way to get the UN peacekeeping operations staffed and supplied. I wonder if these purchases are in anticipation of lots of UN missions to come?

I suspect it was because we needed a new plane bruce.

Griff · 12-19-2006, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

I wasn't going to say anything, but Jay's remark is ill received.

Empires breed hate. Of course, being part of a collapsed empire, you'd think Jay would be more understanding... could be that's the problem. It sucks when the sun sets.

BigV · 12-19-2006, 09:42 AM

ouch, Griff.

Happy Monkey · 12-19-2006, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff

Empires breed hate. Of course, being part of a collapsed empire, you'd think Jay would be more understanding... could be that's the problem. It sucks when the sun sets.

Someone in AA is extremely aware of the dangers of alcohol...

Griff · 12-19-2006, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Someone in AA is extremely aware of the dangers of alcohol...

...assuming he admits he has a problem.

Thats two ouches today, I better lower my profile a bit.

12-17-2006, 01:05 PM	#136
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	"our nation was founded to remove us from tyrants" __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-17-2006, 04:41 PM	#137
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	That might be so bruce, but my question had more to do with the second part of that quote which was and keep us from becoming tyrants who practice cruel and unusual punishments. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-18-2006, 06:35 AM	#138
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	"Keep us from becoming tyrants who practice cruel and unusual punishments", on us, not you. Seriously though, the Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights, of the United States of America, were never intended to apply to anyone outside our border. Our relationship with other countries wasn't addressed for years after our revolutionary war was over. Of course it wasn't an issue until after our civil war, except those uppity Brits needed their ass smacked in 1812 and minor problems with the pesky Mexicans. But a riff with the Spanish was all that needed attending until WWI. Since WWI our relationship with the World has been in flux. Militarily more reactive than proactive until Vietnam. Covertly, who the hell knows? By the way, I see the Aussie's have taken delivery of their first C-17 and the Canucks are ordering some. They are a great way to get the UN peacekeeping operations staffed and supplied. I wonder if these purchases are in anticipation of lots of UN missions to come? We'll fuck 'em up, you clean 'em up. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-18-2006, 08:56 PM	#143
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	I wasn't going to say anything, but Jay's remark is ill received. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

12-19-2006, 12:16 AM	#146
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	By the way, I see the Aussie's have taken delivery of their first C-17 and the Canucks are ordering some. They are a great way to get the UN peacekeeping operations staffed and supplied. I wonder if these purchases are in anticipation of lots of UN missions to come? I suspect it was because we needed a new plane bruce. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-18-2006, 08:12 PM	#140
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Yes, as opposed to all those other countries whose foreign policy is directed to reducing and placing at risk their interests.

12-18-2006, 08:46 PM	#142
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Can somebody please find that bigotry thread? I have an addition to it.

12-18-2006, 09:28 PM	#145
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	No, you're ignorant, which is somewhat different.

12-19-2006, 09:42 AM	#148
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	ouch, Griff. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

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