Manchester blast

[BigV]

Yeah. I have. I try to be mindful of the more important ideas and not just the shiny / loud / popular ideas. I have some success. I definitely have room for improvement.

It's also often the case that the right thing to do / right way to view an issue is also satisfying. Sometimes it's right to call out the other side and challenge them on the facts.

I don't hate or love politics. I accept the fact that political considerations are often unavoidable. Sometimes they're present but merely in the way. Sometimes they're part of the problem, maybe a big part.

[henry quirk]

You live in a neighborhood where the feral dog population is growing...a number of folks have been injuried -- some killed -- by these dogs...after each attack, vocal folks in the neighborhood make a big show about how 'we can't let these dogs change the way we conduct our lives!' and how 'we must be united!', but not one person lifts a finger to ring the animal control folks, or to just pick up and carry a baseball bat when goin' out.

Animal control, of course, has a pretty good bead on the dogs but is largely hobbled in its efforts to exterminate them by animal rights bastids who make a big stink anytime anyone even thinks about killing the animals...'you're a speciesist!' they shriek.

So, the ferals keep eatin' babies and old folks, folks keep jibber-jabberin', nuthin' really gets done.

The Hebrews had/have a solution for this crap: 'If you know someone is coming to kill you, get up early and go kill them first'.

Seems to me: we're well past the crack of dawn on this, their intent is crystal, 'diplomacy' (bribery) has been tried (and has failed)...time to kill some people.

[tw]

Did Fox News also say that!? Wow. They need Ailes back to restore 'fair and honest'.

[Beest]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

Seems to me: we're well past the crack of dawn on this, their intent is crystal, 'diplomacy' (bribery) has been tried (and has failed)...time to kill some people.

Off you go, see how that works for you.

Or were you expecting the Government to do that for you.

[henry quirk]

What I expect is for our employees to put law-abiding citizens first, and to eliminate threats to those citizens (the folks who pay the bills).

What I get is a lotta noise from folks who, for some godamned reason, wanna hesitate and shuffle their feet and not do much else.

As for my neighborhood: I do what I can.

What about you?

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"He was investigated and deemed to be only peripherally involved in radicalism and not an imminent danger."

Yeah, that seems to be the story over and over. Seems like, at some point, folks would say 'okay, the last ten violent acts were done by persons only peripherally involved in radicalism and not an imminent danger, so mebbe we need to redefine our terms, lower the bar, tolerate less'.

[henry quirk]

tw, what the holy fuck does fox news have to do with anything?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

What I expect is for our employees to put law-abiding citizens first, and to eliminate threats to those citizens (the folks who pay the bills).

The Manchester bomber was a citizen and, as far as I know, a law abiding one until this incident.

"He was investigated and deemed to be only peripherally involved in radicalism and not an imminent danger."

Yeah, that seems to be the story over and over. Seems like, at some point, folks would say 'okay, the last ten violent acts were done by persons only peripherally involved in radicalism and not an imminent danger, so mebbe we need to redefine our terms, lower the bar, tolerate less'.

The last ones that succeeded. Investigators have to do triage, and if the ones that they do consider to be a threat end up not making the news, that's probably in their favor.

Do you want to pay for an agency to put permanent surveillance on everyone who has ever shown up on their radar?

Would you want them to be able to do that, even if there were no monetary cost?

Or are you just advocating skipping the surveillance and imprisoning or killing people without evidence? Evidence against one [insert ethnicity/religion/etc] is evidence against all?

[sexobon]

He's fickle that way.

[monster]

so to get back on track.....

This

She's 91, you know

and this

they say it all

[sexobon]

We've just had a vicious attack on some of the most vulnerable of our population too. Fortunately, no one was killed or injured.

LAS VEGAS (AP) — A man wearing body armor and a mask backed a tractor-trailer through the gate of the Moonlite Bunny Ranch before dawn Thursday and crashed it into the front door of the famed Nevada brothel featured in the CatHouse reality television show, according to authorities and the brothel's owner.

Brian Brandt, 40, of Reno, was arrested and faces charges of assault with a deadly weapon, property destruction and possession of stolen property, the Lyon County Sheriff's office said.

Brothel owner Dennis Hof said none of the five employees, 30 female prostitutes and 10 customers inside at the time were hurt when the crash happened just after 4 a.m.

The impact of the truck crashing into the building scared them and sounded "like a bomb going off," Hof said, causing what he estimated at $400,000 damage.

Hof said the suspect was wearing full body armor and a mask. He said he did not know Brandt and none of the people working at the brothel did.

The truck with a bright yellow cab had been stolen from a northern Nevada terminal of Michigan-based Central Transport hours before it crashed into the brothel, said Mickey Blashfield, a company spokesman. ...

[DanaC]

but not one person lifts a finger to ring the animal control folks, or to just pick up and carry a baseball bat when goin' out.

Except that they did.

Several members of the community, including members of the bomber's own family reported him to the anti-radicalisation unit as a potential danger.

He was investigated and deemed to be only peripherally involved in radicalism and not an imminent danger.

[Happy Monkey]

On the topic

[xoxoxoBruce]

I wonder if one of these horrific incidents prompts more people who didn't want to get involved to come forward? Of course that can be a double edged sword. Cops may get useful pertinent information but may increase the static from paranoid people whose neighbor only hangs wash out on even numbered days.

[xoxoxoBruce]

From the Mirror

Mr Ramadan, 49, part of the close-knit Libyan community in south Manchester, said the incident unfolded at Didsbury Mosque.

"There was a sermon about anti- Daesh (IS) and he stood up and started calling the Imam - 'You are talking b*****ks," he said.

"And he gave a good stare, a threatening stare into the Imam's eyes,

"He was banned."

I'm glad to hear some mosques are trying to discredit isis.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

From the Mirror


I'm glad to hear some mosques are trying to discredit isis.

I think most probably do try to discredit IS and speak against extremism. I think there are a few hotbeds of activity - Finsbury Park mosque was one the most infamous for a while, but they seem to have gone to a lot of effort to reform since Abu Hamza went.

I daresay a majority of imams would really like these fuckers to stop polluting their faith with their dangerous notions.


It doesn't take a huge number of extremists, and it doesn't take a huge number of sympathetic mosques or community leaders to cause a lot of problems, about which the peaceful majority are unable to do very much.

Back when I was a councillor, I had to engage with various community leaders,and there didn't seem to me to be a massive difference between the attitudes and concerns of local imams and the attitudes and concerns of local vicars. The guys who ran the muslim community centre youth group were just as determined as the Church of England youth club organiser was to get young lads off the street and onto the five-a-side football pitch.

There were some cultural differences, no doubt, particularly in some parts of the muslim community, where the percentage of people who were born and raised in Pakistan or Kashmir was much higher than in other parts of the community, but in general they just seemed to want the same basic shit everyone else wanted.