Evolutionary Science-v- Creationism - Page 5

perth · 05-07-2004, 05:01 PM

Hunh what now? This is what I see when I click that link:

perth · 05-07-2004, 05:04 PM

Tried it in IE and Firefox. Works for me on both counts.

DanaC · 05-07-2004, 05:05 PM

Incidentally. Anyone who has an interest in this who hasnt read any Dawkins, his book Climbing Mount Improbable ( improbability? ) is excellent....I cannot claim to remember much of it, its quite heavy going. But really does put some interesting stuff on the table.

DanaC · 05-07-2004, 05:06 PM

Perth I get sent to an advert for Surveys

Hahahah I love that tag that can just be seen where someone has proved their uncle is not a monkey hahahaha

Yelof · 05-07-2004, 05:06 PM

I guess God doesn't want us to see the truth

and instead wants me to listen to Polish radio???

guess he truely works in mysterious ways

perth · 05-07-2004, 05:08 PM

Weird. Even so, there's the image, for all the world to see, :p

perth · 05-07-2004, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DanaC
Perth I get sent to an advert for Surveys

Hahahah I love that tag that can just be seen where someone has proved their uncle is not a monkey hahahaha

Try manually typing the URL, maybe. That site is a riot.

Yelof · 05-07-2004, 05:11 PM

Dawkins is my hero.

He doesn't take no crap from any theist

DanaC · 05-07-2004, 05:15 PM

I know aint he great? seriously....sexy too. I mean...I would.....*sparks a joint and pours a glass of wine* did I say that out loud?.....

OnyxCougar · 11-28-2004, 05:45 PM

The idea that God used evolution as an engine of creation (progressive creationsim) doesn't work, for the following reasons:

Evolution teaches that the sun came before the earth.
The bible teaches the earth came before the sun.

Evolution teaches that death, disease, and natural selection preceded mankind.
The bible teaches that the reason there is sin and death is because of Adam's rebellion against God. Also, if there was death and disease, God wouldn't think "it was good."

Progressive Creationism teaches that when the bible says "day" it could mean "millions of years".
In the bible, the Hebrew word for day, yôm, as it is used, can only mean a single, 24 hour period. In addition, when God says to keep the Sabbath Day, does he mean the Sabbath "millions of years"? It's the same contextual word in the Hebrew.

Before we had people telling us what the book meant (and we just read the book for ourselves), a day meant a day. Then Darwin showed up and suddenly, "day" meant millions of years. That is compromising your position.

And for those who say, "Yeah, but what about Second Peter, where it says a day is as a thousand years?" Please see this reply.

Evolution teaches that information is ADDED to the genes as generations progressed.
The bible says it was created whole, through God's word. In addition, the mutation, or speciations we OBSERVE have a LOSS of information, the opposite of what the Evolutionists say is required to go from amoebas to man.

So "Progressive Creationism" doesn't, IMO, make sense. I can see being an evolutionist, I can see being a creationist, but it's a one side or the other deal.

Happy Monkey · 11-28-2004, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

The idea that God used evolution as an engine of creation (progressive creationsim) doesn't work, for the following reasons:
(various literalist issues)

That's only true for literalists, who do not comprise all Christians. There are any number of complicated natural processes that are not fully described in the Bible, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

Quote:

Evolution teaches that information is ADDED to the genes as generations progressed.
The bible says it was created whole, through God's word. In addition, the mutation, or speciations we OBSERVE have a LOSS of information, the opposite of what the Evolutionists say is required to go from amoebas to man.

What we see in mutations is a change in information. Things one could term "losses" are more likely because things one could term "gains" are less likely to be advantageous. But loss and gain of information is an imprecise terminology anyway.

Yelof · 05-07-2004, 05:15 PM

Perth try pinging objective.jesussave.us

I get

66.28.153.39

perth · 05-07-2004, 05:17 PM

I get the same thing. Weird.

Yelof · 05-07-2004, 05:20 PM

we must live in parallel universes but somehow the internet has enabled a gateway to be opened to allow us to communicate..

or we could look for a rational explaination..

nah why bother, people are bound to prefer the exciting one

DanaC · 05-07-2004, 05:24 PM

Very good.

05-07-2004, 05:01 PM	#1
perth Strong Silent Type Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 1,949	Hunh what now? This is what I see when I click that link: Attached Images

05-07-2004, 05:06 PM	#5
Yelof neither here nor there Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 179	I guess God doesn't want us to see the truth and instead wants me to listen to Polish radio??? guess he truely works in mysterious ways Attached Images

11-28-2004, 05:45 PM	#10
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	Reasons Why God didn't use evolution. The idea that God used evolution as an engine of creation (progressive creationsim) doesn't work, for the following reasons: Evolution teaches that the sun came before the earth. The bible teaches the earth came before the sun. Evolution teaches that death, disease, and natural selection preceded mankind. The bible teaches that the reason there is sin and death is because of Adam's rebellion against God. Also, if there was death and disease, God wouldn't think "it was good." Progressive Creationism teaches that when the bible says "day" it could mean "millions of years". In the bible, the Hebrew word for day, yôm, as it is used, can only mean a single, 24 hour period. In addition, when God says to keep the Sabbath Day, does he mean the Sabbath "millions of years"? It's the same contextual word in the Hebrew. Before we had people telling us what the book meant (and we just read the book for ourselves), a day meant a day. Then Darwin showed up and suddenly, "day" meant millions of years. That is compromising your position. And for those who say, "Yeah, but what about Second Peter, where it says a day is as a thousand years?" Please see this reply. Evolution teaches that information is ADDED to the genes as generations progressed. The bible says it was created whole, through God's word. In addition, the mutation, or speciations we OBSERVE have a LOSS of information, the opposite of what the Evolutionists say is required to go from amoebas to man. So "Progressive Creationism" doesn't, IMO, make sense. I can see being an evolutionist, I can see being a creationist, but it's a one side or the other deal. __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt Last edited by OnyxCougar; 11-28-2004 at 05:47 PM.

05-07-2004, 05:04 PM	#2
perth Strong Silent Type Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 1,949	Tried it in IE and Firefox. Works for me on both counts.

05-07-2004, 05:05 PM	#3
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Incidentally. Anyone who has an interest in this who hasnt read any Dawkins, his book Climbing Mount Improbable ( improbability? ) is excellent....I cannot claim to remember much of it, its quite heavy going. But really does put some interesting stuff on the table.

05-07-2004, 05:08 PM	#6
perth Strong Silent Type Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 1,949	Weird. Even so, there's the image, for all the world to see, :p

05-07-2004, 05:11 PM	#8
Yelof neither here nor there Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 179	Dawkins is my hero. He doesn't take no crap from any theist

05-07-2004, 05:15 PM	#9
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I know aint he great? seriously....sexy too. I mean...I would.....sparks a joint and pours a glass of wine did I say that out loud?.....

05-07-2004, 05:17 PM	#13
perth Strong Silent Type Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 1,949	I get the same thing. Weird.

05-07-2004, 05:20 PM	#14
Yelof neither here nor there Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 179	we must live in parallel universes but somehow the internet has enabled a gateway to be opened to allow us to communicate.. or we could look for a rational explaination.. nah why bother, people are bound to prefer the exciting one

05-07-2004, 05:24 PM	#15
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Very good.

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