Depressing/ Suicide

[xoxoxoBruce]

Cyanide and Happiness (Explosm.net) has done some depressing cartoons.
Man, he hit the bulls eye with this one.
I hope anyone contemplating suicide sees this and takes it to heart.

[Griff]

ouch

[Big Sarge]

Why does our society stigmatize suicide? Does a person not have the right to make a decision about when they want to die and how? Society supports a woman's right to terminate a fetus. A portion of our society endorses executions. It is justified and even heroic to kill the enemy during war. It seems to meet our society condones the right to take the life of another, but if a person decides to take his own he is suddenly deemed selfish.

[fargon]

If I was to commit suicide, Keryx would be emotionally and financially destroyed. And because the life insurance would not pay off she would be stuck with a lot of bills. Suicide is selfish.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

... Society supports a woman's right to terminate a fetus. ....

Only within a certain time frame. After that it's murder.

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

... A portion of our society endorses executions. ....

Only for certain crimes. After that it's vigilantism.

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

It is justified and even heroic to kill the enemy during war. ...

Only under certain conditions. After that it's war crimes.

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

... It seems to meet our society condones the right to take the life of another, but if a person decides to take his own he is suddenly deemed selfish.

Not if they meet society's criteria for euthanasia. After that it's selfish.

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

... Does a person not have the right to make a decision about when they want to die and how?

Yes and society has the right to label them selfish, cowardly; or, both. Freedom of expression you know.

[Big Sarge]

I guess if you have suicidal urges, you could always go to a movie theater.

[Gravdigr]

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“In literature, the semicolon is used when an author chooses not to end the sentence. You’re the author, the sentence is your life, and you’re choosing to continue,” [Amy] Bleuel said.

[limey]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Cyanide and Happiness (Explosm.net) has done some depressing cartoons.

Man, he hit the bulls eye with this one.

I hope anyone contemplating suicide sees this and takes it to heart.

You're not going to guilt trip someone who feels bad out of committing suicide. That'll just make them feel worse. Although the cartoon is true. It's a "lose, lose" scenario, I fear ...


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[xoxoxoBruce]

You may be right Limey, people come to that decision for a variety of reasons. But anyone contemplating it isn't thinking straight anyway. I tend to contemplate murder, rather than suicide.

[Sundae]

Originally Posted by limey

You're not going to guilt trip someone who feels bad out of committing suicide. That'll just make them feel worse.

As someone who was unwillingly saved (but I owe him my very life), I concur.
There are as many reasons to want to die as there are people. But mine was the pressure of inflicting constant pain on those who loved me.
Get it out of the way in one big dollop. Better for the few (I thought, though it turned out to be more) to have a big cut, than a million little paper cuts, day after day, as I failed them again and again.

I'm not out of those woods yet, either.
But I am more cognisant of the fallout. and aware how many people care.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Sundae

But mine was the pressure of inflicting constant pain on those who loved me.

Then this "cartoon" would be aimed at you. Don't be selfish, we don't need the pain. You'd be surprised how people who handle paper for a living get used to paper cuts... comes with the territory.

[Sundae]

I guess what I'm saying is that if you feel so worthless that the world is better off without you, then the only choice left is how to remove yourself.

Losing Brianna hurt dreadfully. But last December, no-one could have convinced me that I was worth anything compared to her. So even though I knew suicides hurt other people, I couldn't apply it to me. Because I didn't matter. If I thought I did, I wouldn't be trying it.

It's been five months since I last tried (poor Dr Dana had to call the ambulance that time - I'm working through the Dwellars).
I think I'm almost stable now.

[wolf]

I am on the receiving end of that pain. More than once. It changes you. And it doesn't go away.

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[Gravdigr]

Anyone who hasn't been on the receiving end of that pain is extremely lucky.

Or very alone.

[it]

You know what's interesting? The social reflex that when something feels bad we explain it as bad by attaching another more reasonably bad thing to it.

For instance here the message is "suicide is bad because it abandons loved ones". That doesn't make suicide bad, it makes abandoning loved ones bad, which you can do without committing suicide, and depending on circumstances you might be able to commit suicide without abandoning loved ones - by not letting yourself have any.
Even then, it would depend on the nature of the relationships - not every relationship has a responsibility that can be compared to a father and son. If you are truly suffering from being alive, would your co-workers or acquaintances be as entitled for your continues suffering just so they won't experience that little moment of sadness? Can anyone truly be entitled to your continuous suffering?

I don't think it's question of worth either, though feeling worthless is probably a big cause of suffering, as can many other things be. Even if the world would in some ways be better when you are alive, even if you can be a contributing member of society or have a job that solves problems or improves people's lives, even if you can make friends laugh and feel inspired and entertained, and have people who's lives are a bit better because your around... Does that mean you have to stick around and continue to live in pain?
A lot of pain doesn't go away - you either adapt to live with it or don't. If you aren't responsible for anyone else, or if the people you do feel responsible for are better off not having you in their lives, or you might not even have any right to be in their lives, then... All that is left is yourself, and if we hold adults responsible for their lives, then staying alive has to be a choice they make, a real choice, and that can only exist when they also have the choice not too.