Our God - Page 4

Happy Monkey · 01-12-2015, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

I thought that "eventful" was equivalent to "evil," in your mind. Doesn't the one who dies young get the better deal, then?

No, the "evil=eventful" was from your "without evil we'd be bored on a beach" scenario. I'm not the one equating evil with life experience.

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Do you believe in the possibility of a malevolent God?

I don't believe in any gods. "Believe in the possibility" is different; if a god is defined in a way that it could magically hide from any detection, then it is logically possible that it is doing so.

But if you're asking whether I think that whatever a theoretical god wants or does is, by definition, good, then I do not believe that.

Undertoad · 01-12-2015, 06:13 PM

Well sorry, I screwed up.

I think maybe I didn't mean to say you as in you, Gravdigr, but you as in, all y'all. But somewhere in writing it I didn't drift that way, after quoting you, and that was just terrible of me.

The question applies to all, doesn't belittle anyone.

I feel like I can't belittle anyone, because I have been wrong about so much in my life, that it is surely not for me to say what is right for anyone else.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-12-2015, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

...I have been wrong about so much in my life...

Like everyone else. Some others just have better safety nets.

My road to wisdom... Finding out how much I don't know, then finding out how much I was sure of but was wrong, followed by the revelation I don't know shit... but neither does anyone I know.

lumberjim · 01-12-2015, 07:35 PM

Undertoad: Agressively Humble

lumberjim · 01-12-2015, 10:56 PM

No one knows how much they don't know. Knowing you don't know how much you don't know let's you know that you'll never know how much everyone else doesn't know. Knowing that no one else knows what they don't know makes you... Sorry, lost my train of thought.

Clodfobble · 01-13-2015, 06:53 AM

On the scales we're talking about, it's just as likely to say that a more intelligent, more powerful, more overarching life form is also inevitable. Then the only question is, how much more intelligent/powerful/overarching does a life form have to become before it is indistinguishable from what our puny brains would think of as a God?

Sheldonrs · 01-13-2015, 07:00 AM

I judge them by penis size.

Happy Monkey · 01-13-2015, 12:04 PM

You ask it what it needs with a starship.

Clodfobble · 01-13-2015, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

You ask it what it needs with a starship.

But only after you declare that suffering is good for you.

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Kirk: Damn it, Bones, you're a doctor. You know that pain and guilt can't be taken away with a wave of a magic wand. They're the things we carry with us, the things that make us who we are. If we lose them, we lose ourselves. I don't want my pain taken away! I need my pain!

Happy Monkey · 01-13-2015, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

But only after you declare that suffering is good for you.

If you take away someone's guilt for something they've actually done, you turn them into a monster, but Kirk would (and did) happily go back in time to prevent something bad from happening, when he could.

Happy Monkey · 01-13-2015, 01:14 PM

You called out Pico and ME for reusing Clodfobble's phrase.

Gravdigr · 01-13-2015, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

You called out Pico and ME for reusing Clodfobble's phrase.

Different context.

Aliantha · 01-13-2015, 10:36 PM

I'm pretty sure Pico was talking about the fact that if there is this superior being who might be called God, our brains (the whole human race) would all be considered immature. Even the brains of the most enlightened among us.

Anyway, this thread is too philosophical for me. I really can't be arsed.

How immature am I?

sexobon · 01-13-2015, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

I'm pretty sure Pico was talking ...

Pico can talk? IT'S A MIRACLE!

I'm sure ME is capable of explaining her meaning.

Aliantha · 01-14-2015, 12:04 AM

Yes, but there still seems to be confusion, and I don't think there should be, so I am speaking for her.

Probably she couldn't be arsed anymore either though. It's all speculation anyway and I think it's unfortunate that this discussion has made at least one member feel bad.

I am trying to be a peacemaker, so stop being a dick.

01-12-2015, 07:35 PM	#4
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	Undertoad: Agressively Humble __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

01-12-2015, 10:56 PM	#5
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	No one knows how much they don't know. Knowing you don't know how much you don't know let's you know that you'll never know how much everyone else doesn't know. Knowing that no one else knows what they don't know makes you... Sorry, lost my train of thought. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

01-13-2015, 06:53 AM	#6
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	On the scales we're talking about, it's just as likely to say that a more intelligent, more powerful, more overarching life form is also inevitable. Then the only question is, how much more intelligent/powerful/overarching does a life form have to become before it is indistinguishable from what our puny brains would think of as a God? __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

01-13-2015, 07:00 AM	#7
Sheldonrs Master Dwellar Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,412	I judge them by penis size. __________________ Laugh and the world laughs with you; cry and the world laughs AT you.

01-13-2015, 12:04 PM	#8
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	You ask it what it needs with a starship. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

01-12-2015, 06:13 PM	#2
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Well sorry, I screwed up. I think maybe I didn't mean to say you as in you, Gravdigr, but you as in, all y'all. But somewhere in writing it I didn't drift that way, after quoting you, and that was just terrible of me. The question applies to all, doesn't belittle anyone. I feel like I can't belittle anyone, because I have been wrong about so much in my life, that it is surely not for me to say what is right for anyone else.

01-13-2015, 01:14 PM	#11
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	You called out Pico and ME for reusing Clodfobble's phrase. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

01-13-2015, 10:36 PM	#13
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I'm pretty sure Pico was talking about the fact that if there is this superior being who might be called God, our brains (the whole human race) would all be considered immature. Even the brains of the most enlightened among us. Anyway, this thread is too philosophical for me. I really can't be arsed. How immature am I? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

01-14-2015, 12:04 AM	#15
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Yes, but there still seems to be confusion, and I don't think there should be, so I am speaking for her. Probably she couldn't be arsed anymore either though. It's all speculation anyway and I think it's unfortunate that this discussion has made at least one member feel bad. I am trying to be a peacemaker, so stop being a dick. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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