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12-18-2012, 11:05 AM | #1 |
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It takes only 5 people to end gun violence in America.
It takes only 5 people to end gun violence in America.
Banning gun sales to those with mental illness is not effective enough Background checks on criminals are not effective enough Banning the sale of assault guns is not effective enough Limiting the number of shells in gun magazines is not effective enough Fences and locked doors on every public facility are not effective enough Armed guards/teachers/doctors/salespersons/clergy in every public place is not effective enough We rationalize limits on the 1st Amendment Right to Free Speech in the greater good. - children's exposure to pornography - adults shouting "Fire" in a crowd We can rationalize limits on the 2nd Amendment Right to Bear Arms. The US Supreme Court has made mistakes, and their decisions have been re-evaluated, and even reversed. Our Forefathers envisioned domination by a foreign government's military. Our Forefathers envisioned a "well regulated militia" for the common good. Our Forefathers envisioned guns as flintlocks and muskets, not our modern guns. Limiting gun possession to flintlocks and muskets is a "conservative" view. Limiting gun possession to the maintaining of a militia is a "conservative" view It only takes 5 Supreme Court Justices to end gun violence in America. |
12-18-2012, 11:12 AM | #2 | |
We have to go back, Kate!
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Y'know, I totally get that people wouldn't want a total ban on guns. Too many cultural associations, too much a part of growing up in some communities, and too necessary as a survival tool in some parts of the country.
But assault weapons? If you need a battlefield weapon that pumps out mega quantities of bullets to hunt a deer or a bear than ur doin it rong. If all that lad had been abe to acquire was a simple shotgun or hunting rifle the death toll would have been significantly lower.
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12-18-2012, 11:14 AM | #3 | |
We have to go back, Kate!
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It is not, in my opinion, acceptable or desirable for people to be allowed to drive tanks down the public highway willynilly. They weren't made for use in that setting. Doesn't mean i want to ban all motor vehicles.
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12-18-2012, 11:17 AM | #4 |
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I like your analogy, Dana, and I agree with your balanced view on the subject.
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12-18-2012, 11:37 AM | #5 | |
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12-18-2012, 12:41 PM | #6 | |
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Is there actually any unbiased evidence that banning guns has an effect on lowering gun deaths? From the data I've seen, banning handguns in D.C, Chicago, etc. didn't really do anything when comparing against the national average. I could see it having an effect on suicides but that is preventable through other measures as well.
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12-18-2012, 12:48 PM | #7 |
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A few other points:
Most gun deaths in the US are a result from handguns, not "assault" rifles and every polls suggests that the majority of Americans are against banning handguns (myself included). I would be supportive of regulation measures, but not outright banning. Second, while the argument has been mutilated by extremist in the NRA and too many people abuse their powerful weapons, a right to self defense is still a powerful argument. While guns result in many deaths, they do actually prevent robberies, property damage, attacks, etc as well. Those benefits cannot be quantified so it makes it difficult to make comparisons. I would personally like to see more regulation with guns in general and restrictions on certain aspects of guns. For example, I'm don't see how low capacity high velocity bullets hold and weight in a self-defense or hunting argument. Instead of blanketing every gun death as "gun problem", we should look at specific aspects and how those specific aspects can be improved.
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12-18-2012, 01:28 PM | #8 |
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Think about that for a second. Were people free to leave DC and cross the bridge into Virginia where gun laws are lax? If there is a nation wide ban, would there be such an easy path around the law?
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12-18-2012, 04:33 PM | #9 | |
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This post and the article it links to/draws from is fantastic, and talks about a side of this issue that's almost never discussed.
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12-18-2012, 05:23 PM | #10 | |
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We have over 300 million guns in this country and only a very very small proportion of those are used to kill people. I would imagine that a ban on guns would greatly reduce the number of guns that are being used responsibility but have little impact on the number of guns being used irresponsibly. Any gun regulation needs to address this IMO.
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12-18-2012, 05:32 PM | #11 | |
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It's not simple. http://justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
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12-18-2012, 06:22 PM | #12 |
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Might as well not make anything illegal.
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12-18-2012, 06:32 PM | #13 |
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Less than 24 hours after the killings, a local Convention Center had it quarterly gun show. Only hours after routine killing of children (this time in the same location), the gun show clearly had its largest crowd. Only a national dog show had a crowd as large.
Gun shows are where one buys the most deadly weapons and ammunition without even a background check. Dead kids promote more gun sales. Because those who most need guns are the same emotional type who make decisions based in fear and ego. What to do with a kid who (according to his mother) had mental problems? Take him to gun ranges to practice with weapons once restricted only to trained soldiers. Keep him out of school because his emotional problems must be traceable to the school system. Does that make sense? Of course not. Decisions based in emotions explain why the mother purchased a large stockpile of assault weapons. And hundreds of rounds of ammunition. Some people think like adults. They use reason rather than feelings. Others who need to entertain the emotion of a bigger gun to prove their adulthood. She was not a victim. If alive, she should be prosecuted as an accessory to the crime. But we still do not hold gun owners responsible for their actions. It would be a threat to their feelings. After all, the least adult among us need more guns. And hundreds of rounds of ammuntion only useful for killing people. And so the gun show had its largeest turnout only hours after children were massacred. The mentality is strongly associated with those who most need bigger guns. |
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12-18-2012, 08:08 PM | #15 |
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"end gun violence" ???
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