What the fuck is wrong with New York City Mayor Michael Rubens Bloomberg?

[BigV]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I'm not waving a red flag around, it is just a response to Quirk's "Do what you can to self-preserve, expect nothing from any one" statement. Investing in a healthy society can mean many things but complete control by an "elite" few is not one of them.

Originally Posted by classicman

complete control by an "elite" few SHOULD NOT not be one of them.

He was right the first time. If you are talking about what constitutes a healthy society, "complete control by an elite few" is *not* an option, not merely should not.

[classicman]

Oye' Not the way I originally read his post, but I agree with both.

[infinite monkey]

Bloomberg is now going after mlkshakes and popcorn. Next: cotton candy and lollipops. Soon, the only simple pleasures that will be allowed in any size are drugs and alcohol. Prohibiting them has never worked. Hmmmm.

[tw]

Originally Posted by infinite monkey

Next: cotton candy and lollipops. Soon, the only simple pleasures that will be allowed in any size are drugs and alcohol.

Popcorn and lollipops are not killing people. Either is masterbation. Stop worrying about bans that will not be implemented.

[TheMercenary]

"No More Popcorn for your you fat fuckers!

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_1...nd-milkshakes/

[Cyber Wolf]

Give it another month or two and they'll ban restaurants from serving any meals over 400 calories total and add mandatory exercise to The Ban Plan.

"Everyone able to move must add at least an hour of vigorous exercise to their daily routine. Those who do not comply will face a $200 fine, payable by parents in the case of minors. Daily exercise must be verified by a city health inspector in one of several to-be-opened City Fitness Centers. The inspector monitor your exercise to be sure your pulse rate has reached minimum peak efficiency range for your gender."

[DanaC]

Don't ban big drinks. Ban the use of high fructose corn syrup as a cheap sweetener in food and drink.

That stuff switches off the mechanism that signals to the brain that we're full. It also is, if recent studies are to be believed, addictive and harmful. Forget lowfat, low calorie options, it's the sugar and in particular the fructose that's the big danger. And that isn't down to the consumer, or the outlet, it's all in the manufacturing. Even if a consumer wants to avoid fructose, well, good luck with that because it's in everything. Biscuits, burgers, breads and sodas.


Unfortunately every time an attempt is made by anybody in the fucking world to make that point the US Corn lobby goes into overdrive. The WHO was about to put out a report condemning the use of the stuff and setting out its health implcations. In response the US corn lobby directly lobbied WHO and told them if they continued then the $1/2 a billion in US contributions would be withheld. Report buried. Everybody go back to using high fructose corn syrup in everything. Nothing to see here, move along please.

[DanaC]

Interesting article about this on the BBC. There was a documentary a couple of nights ago. Scary stuff.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18393391

"It doesn't have a toxic effect like lead. It's not comparable to lead or mercury, but it's the quantity that just makes it toxic," he says.

Fructose is easily converted to fat in the body, and scientists have found that it also suppresses the action of a vital hormone called leptin.

"Leptin goes from your fat cells to your brain and tells your brain you've had enough, you don't need to eat that second piece of cheesecake," says Dr Robert Lustig, an endocrinologist.

He says when the liver is overloaded with sugars, leptin simply stops working, and as a result the body doesn't know when it's full.

"It makes your brain think you're starving and now what you have is a vicious cycle of consumption, disease and addiction. Which explains what has happened the world over," he says.

[piercehawkeye45]

I always though it was more the over-consumption of sugars than specifically high fructose corn syrup (FHCS) that was linked to obesity and all those other effects?

Its extremely difficult to find an unbiased study but from what I have read, which is very limited, it seems that separating the effect from HFCS and other sugars is difficult. It is hard to tell whether sugars in general have helped the rise of obesity or if a disproportionate amount is from FHCS.

I do agree with the fundamental point though.

[tw]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I always though it was more the over-consumption of sugars than specifically high fructose corn syrup (FHCS) that was linked to obesity and all those other effects?

Corn syrup means nutritional items from other ingredients can be removed. Replacing with corn syrup also increases profits. Ie new Coke. The old formula was based in extracts from food that had some nutritional value (ie oranges). The new Coke was pure sugar.

Detecting sugar difference is difficult. Beechnut, a company caught repeatedly subverting their foods, sold corn syrup as Apple juice. Their scientist had difficulty discovering that their Apple juice was only sugar water. When eventually discovered and reported it to top management. He later overhead top management laughing during a party about how well the scam out of Brooklyn was working. That is when he went to the government.

Consumer Reports detailed the research, scam and coverup. The bottom line applies. Corn syrup and other sugars are similar and difficult to differentiate.

[xoxoxoBruce]

The cartoonists are having a field day.

[xoxoxoBruce]

More.

[Clodfobble]

That's what they said about the smoking ban here: it's not going to stop anyone smoking, it's just going to create little "smoking sections" on the corner of every downtown street away from the bar doors, this is the land of the free goddammit, it just means people are going to smoke more in their cars and homes around their children, etc. etc. etc.

But none of it happened. Instead what happened is the power of inconvenience took over, lazy asthmatic fucks didn't want to walk 20 feet outside the bar to smoke, and the local "quit smoking" program announced that its clientele increased five-fold. By now thousands of people in this city have quit entirely because it was made a little more inconvenient to smoke. And thousands (tens of thousands, in New York) will consume less sugar and calories once it becomes inconvenient to carry two sodas.

[classicman]

Dunno Clod, hope you are right, but this ban only has very limited coverage. The inconvenience factor is minimal at best.

[Gravdigr]

I finally figured out why Napolean Bloomberg don't like them big ol' drink cups.

He can't see over the top of 'em.