Obama Announces Re-election Bid

Big Sarge · 04-04-2011, 12:46 PM

Thank goodness Obama has decided to run for re-election. I don't know how many wars/conflicts we might be in if we didn't a Nobel Peace Prize recepient at the helm. Plus, he has done miracles with the economy. Why has even been able to hold fuel costs down. The national average was a whopping $1.79 a gallon in 2008. Think how high it would be now if it wasn't for his leadership.

infinite monkey · 04-04-2011, 01:28 PM

TROLLRLY?

Spexxvet · 04-04-2011, 01:35 PM

Oh no you did'nt.

Pete Zicato · 04-04-2011, 01:46 PM

I had expected to see stronger leadership from Obama than we've seen.

I think this is the Republicans opportunity to take or lose. But as mediocre as Obama has been. I will not vote for a Republican if they continue to be the party of hate and anti-ness.

You want me to vote republican? (I have in the past) Show up with a candidate who inspires, who proposes solutions (instead of shooting them down), and who isn't so obviously the pawn of business. Then you might get my vote.

What Obama has and hasn't done is less troubling to me still than Iraq, Afghanistan, & the Wall Street debacle.

skysidhe · 04-04-2011, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete Zicato

What Obama has and hasn't done is less troubling to me still than Iraq, Afghanistan, & the Wall Street debacle.

If the Wall Street debacle includes the housing bubble/ bursting,then I agree 100%.

Big Sarge · 04-04-2011, 03:54 PM

I'm glad he pulled us out Iraq. But wait, we have 50,000 troops still there with units scheduled from MS to re-deploy there this fall. At least he kept his promise of closing Gitmo, right?

Pete Zicato · 04-04-2011, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Sarge

I'm glad he pulled us out Iraq. But wait, we have 50,000 troops still there with units scheduled from MS to re-deploy there this fall. At least he kept his promise of closing Gitmo, right?

What I heard: "Yeah, Bush really screwed up there. But Obama hasn't cleaned it up so well."

Let me say again, that if you're hoping to persuade people to the Republican side, throwing stones at the Dems is not going to do it. For me at least.

Happy Monkey · 04-04-2011, 04:30 PM

Especially if those stones are at least as bad on the Republican side.

piercehawkeye45 · 04-04-2011, 04:33 PM

Hey guys. This is piercehawkeye45 from a separate universe. I just wanted to stop on over to post this thread we have over there.

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Originally Posted by someliberalguy

Thank goodness McCain has decided to run for re-election. I don't know how many dictators we might still have if we didn't have a War Veteran at the helm (plus Momma Bear). Plus, he has done miracles with the economy. Why has even been able to hold fuel costs down. The national average was a whopping $1.79 a gallon in 2008. Think how high it would be now if it wasn't for his leadership.

Spexxvet · 04-05-2011, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Sarge

Thank goodness Obama has decided to run for re-election. I don't know how many wars/conflicts we might be in if we didn't a Nobel Peace Prize recepient at the helm. Plus, he has done miracles with the economy. Why has even been able to hold fuel costs down. The national average was a whopping $1.79 a gallon in 2008. Think how high it would be now if it wasn't for his leadership.

2008 gas $1.79? Maybe the last day of the year, or for one day of the year, but not for the whole year. Cite.

Sarge, I'm surprised that you support repubicans. You are a vet, you work for the government, and you're going to retire some day. Look at New Jersey and Ohio - republicans want to set your standard of living back 40 years. In Camden, NJ, almost half of the police force and firefighters were laid off, due to cost cutting by the repubican governor. The repubicans want to cut government spending: VA benefits, Social Security, Medicare - they are trying to buttfuck you in the mouth.

Why do you hate yourself?

infinite monkey · 04-05-2011, 09:03 AM

2008 gas prices?

I think it's more manly to be a pub. You don't get that wimpy bleeding heart label so much.

classicman · 04-05-2011, 03:43 PM

yeh but...

"I plot three values of EIRe for comparison in figure 4:

* EIRe, petro: petroleum only—these are values calculated from (4) as displayed in figure 1.
* EIRe, NG: natural gas only—these are values calculated from (5) as displayed in figure 1.
* EIRe, P&G: petroleum and natural gas—to more effectively compare EIRe of O&G to the EROIO&G calculated by Cleveland (2005), I create a combined EIRe for petroleum ( ~ oil) and natural gas. These data are calculated by dividing the sum of the numerators of (4) and (5) by the sum of the denominators of (4) and (5).

While the two EIRp, O&G measures vary substantially before 1980, they mostly converge by the mid-1980s driven by increased incorporation of NG into the economy as a substitute for oil (e.g. for electricity) and deregulation of NG prices. From 1954 to 1972, the EIRp, oil measured approximately midway between the two EROIO&G measures as the two EROIO&G values appear to represent approximate upper and lower limits for EIRp, oil during the dates for which both measures are calculated. During this time the Texas Railroad Commission (TRC) was setting oil production limits and prorationing oil production in Texas. Thus, it is possible that the value of EIRp, oil between the EROI indicators is evidence that the TRC was effective at setting the oil price to balance supply and demand in a forward-looking manner—as long as US production could easily outpace demand before US peak oil production in 1970.

After 1985 there is little difference between the EIRp, O&G values in figure 3. Additionally, beginning in 1998, all EIRp measures for oil and NG dropped quickly through 2008, and only the values of the early 1980s are lower. The EIRp, gasoline is expectedly lower than the EIRp measures for oil and NG as delivered gasoline is the end of the supply chain before consumption in consumer vehicles. The EIRp, gasoline peaked at 10.8 in 1998 and had a low of 3.6 in 1980. In 2008 EIRp, gasoline = 5.5, a value surpassed for all other years since 1985. For statistically comparing EROIO&G to the two EIRp, O&G calculations, there are only six overlapping years (N = 6) of calculations (1972, 1977, 1982, 1987, 1992, and 1997) due to data limitation from the US government (Cleveland 2005). However, calculating the Pearson correlation coefficient shows that there is high correlation between EROIO&G including direct and indirect energy inputs with the EIRp, O&G weighted by the percentage of GDP spent on petroleum and NG (r = 0.93), the EIRp, O&G weighted by the energy consumed of petroleum and NG (r = 0.93), and EIRp, oil (r = 0.84). The first two correlations at r = 0.93 are statistically significant at the p = 0.005 level (i.e. less than 0.5% chance that the values are not correlated), and r = 0.84 is significant at the p = 0.025 level. Because both EIR and EROI are wholly or partly derived from economic rather than pure energy data, the correlation test indicates only that EROI and EIR capture the same changes in energy and economic phenomena rather than one value or the other is more correct."

TheMercenary · 04-05-2011, 08:33 PM

And don't forget he closed Gitmo!

He decreased the deficit, and he put us all back to work! Wait, sorry the unemployment rate is still above 9%..... my bad.

Big Sarge · 04-06-2011, 12:28 AM

Spexxvet - Of course I'm a Republican! The majoity of troops I serve with are ardent Republicans who strongly support the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm a veteran law enforcement officer and you sure don't find many liberals in this profession who have worked street level enforcement. I'm a gun collector and hunter. Those don't exactly jeehaw with liberal idealogy. I'm from Mississippi and liberal democrats don't seem to do well down here.

So as a "God-fearing Christian", who has sworn an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States and risked his life to uphold the law, why would you expect me to be anything but a Republican?

Spexxvet · 04-06-2011, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Sarge

Spexxvet - Of course I'm a Republican! The majoity of troops I serve with are ardent Republicans who strongly support the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm a veteran law enforcement officer and you sure don't find many liberals in this profession who have worked street level enforcement. I'm a gun collector and hunter. Those don't exactly jeehaw with liberal idealogy. I'm from Mississippi and liberal democrats don't seem to do well down here.

So as a "God-fearing Christian", who has sworn an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States and risked his life to uphold the law, why would you expect me to be anything but a Republican?

Because their goal is to buttfuck you in the mouth.

04-04-2011, 12:46 PM	#1
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	Obama Announces Re-election Bid Thank goodness Obama has decided to run for re-election. I don't know how many wars/conflicts we might be in if we didn't a Nobel Peace Prize recepient at the helm. Plus, he has done miracles with the economy. Why has even been able to hold fuel costs down. The national average was a whopping $1.79 a gallon in 2008. Think how high it would be now if it wasn't for his leadership. __________________ Give a man a match, & he'll be warm for 20 seconds. But toss that man a white phosphorus grenade and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

04-04-2011, 01:35 PM	#3
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	Oh no you did'nt. __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

04-04-2011, 01:46 PM	#4
Pete Zicato Turns out my CRS is a symptom of TMB. Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Chicago suburbs Posts: 2,916	I had expected to see stronger leadership from Obama than we've seen. I think this is the Republicans opportunity to take or lose. But as mediocre as Obama has been. I will not vote for a Republican if they continue to be the party of hate and anti-ness. You want me to vote republican? (I have in the past) Show up with a candidate who inspires, who proposes solutions (instead of shooting them down), and who isn't so obviously the pawn of business. Then you might get my vote. What Obama has and hasn't done is less troubling to me still than Iraq, Afghanistan, & the Wall Street debacle. __________________ Talk nerdy to me.

04-04-2011, 03:54 PM	#6
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	I'm glad he pulled us out Iraq. But wait, we have 50,000 troops still there with units scheduled from MS to re-deploy there this fall. At least he kept his promise of closing Gitmo, right? __________________ Give a man a match, & he'll be warm for 20 seconds. But toss that man a white phosphorus grenade and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

04-04-2011, 04:30 PM	#8
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Especially if those stones are at least as bad on the Republican side. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

04-04-2011, 01:28 PM	#2
infinite monkey Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 13,002	TROLLRLY?

04-05-2011, 09:03 AM	#11
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04-05-2011, 03:43 PM	#12
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	yeh but... "I plot three values of EIRe for comparison in figure 4: * EIRe, petro: petroleum only—these are values calculated from (4) as displayed in figure 1. * EIRe, NG: natural gas only—these are values calculated from (5) as displayed in figure 1. * EIRe, P&G: petroleum and natural gas—to more effectively compare EIRe of O&G to the EROIO&G calculated by Cleveland (2005), I create a combined EIRe for petroleum ( ~ oil) and natural gas. These data are calculated by dividing the sum of the numerators of (4) and (5) by the sum of the denominators of (4) and (5). While the two EIRp, O&G measures vary substantially before 1980, they mostly converge by the mid-1980s driven by increased incorporation of NG into the economy as a substitute for oil (e.g. for electricity) and deregulation of NG prices. From 1954 to 1972, the EIRp, oil measured approximately midway between the two EROIO&G measures as the two EROIO&G values appear to represent approximate upper and lower limits for EIRp, oil during the dates for which both measures are calculated. During this time the Texas Railroad Commission (TRC) was setting oil production limits and prorationing oil production in Texas. Thus, it is possible that the value of EIRp, oil between the EROI indicators is evidence that the TRC was effective at setting the oil price to balance supply and demand in a forward-looking manner—as long as US production could easily outpace demand before US peak oil production in 1970. After 1985 there is little difference between the EIRp, O&G values in figure 3. Additionally, beginning in 1998, all EIRp measures for oil and NG dropped quickly through 2008, and only the values of the early 1980s are lower. The EIRp, gasoline is expectedly lower than the EIRp measures for oil and NG as delivered gasoline is the end of the supply chain before consumption in consumer vehicles. The EIRp, gasoline peaked at 10.8 in 1998 and had a low of 3.6 in 1980. In 2008 EIRp, gasoline = 5.5, a value surpassed for all other years since 1985. For statistically comparing EROIO&G to the two EIRp, O&G calculations, there are only six overlapping years (N = 6) of calculations (1972, 1977, 1982, 1987, 1992, and 1997) due to data limitation from the US government (Cleveland 2005). However, calculating the Pearson correlation coefficient shows that there is high correlation between EROIO&G including direct and indirect energy inputs with the EIRp, O&G weighted by the percentage of GDP spent on petroleum and NG (r = 0.93), the EIRp, O&G weighted by the energy consumed of petroleum and NG (r = 0.93), and EIRp, oil (r = 0.84). The first two correlations at r = 0.93 are statistically significant at the p = 0.005 level (i.e. less than 0.5% chance that the values are not correlated), and r = 0.84 is significant at the p = 0.025 level. Because both EIR and EROI are wholly or partly derived from economic rather than pure energy data, the correlation test indicates only that EROI and EIR capture the same changes in energy and economic phenomena rather than one value or the other is more correct." <Head spinning> __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

04-05-2011, 08:33 PM	#13
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	And don't forget he closed Gitmo! He decreased the deficit, and he put us all back to work! Wait, sorry the unemployment rate is still above 9%..... my bad. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

04-06-2011, 12:28 AM	#14
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	Spexxvet - Of course I'm a Republican! The majoity of troops I serve with are ardent Republicans who strongly support the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm a veteran law enforcement officer and you sure don't find many liberals in this profession who have worked street level enforcement. I'm a gun collector and hunter. Those don't exactly jeehaw with liberal idealogy. I'm from Mississippi and liberal democrats don't seem to do well down here. So as a "God-fearing Christian", who has sworn an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States and risked his life to uphold the law, why would you expect me to be anything but a Republican? __________________ Give a man a match, & he'll be warm for 20 seconds. But toss that man a white phosphorus grenade and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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