A convicted VIOLENT sex offender is moving in up the street!

[Sundae]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Naw, the mafia is too scared to go to the bad part. Besides, it's easier to shake down the citizens in the good part, 'cause the denizens of the bad part got nothing to be shaken for

Fixed it.

[GunMaster357]

From my point of view, it seeems that the most important part is to know what the conviction was about.

As I understand it, in the USA, sexual offenders can range from the guy/girl fooling around with his/her partner and got caugth by the police to a multiple count rapist.

In the first case, I don't see a problem... In the second, it should have been solved with a nice dose of .50 caliber straight to the head.

[footfootfoot]

I think he may have been referring to a garden variety beat-down.

[Sundae]

FTR, from a previous thread re banged up paedos:

Louis Theroux (English broadcaster) dealt with this very issue in A Place for Paedophiles, a one-hour show set in a holding/ rehabilitation facility in California. The inmates have all served the sentences mandated by law, and are being held indefinitely in the public interest.

Very few make it through the program. Many refuse even to participate. Those that do are subjected to a battery of tests, one of which is the "peter metre". Developed during the Vietnam era, to determine whether men were really gay or just trying to avoid the draft (I bet it got more negatives than positives - patriotic gay Americans kept their mouths shut) it measures involuntary arousal to images shown.

Those that make it through, and are deemed no longer a threat can remain incarcerated for years awaiting a safe place to live.

These men are no longer criminals. So they have every possible state paid luxury you can have while still having your freedom denied. Three square meals, cable tv, classes, exercise etc etc. Something that must rip a hole in right wing sensibilities.

[Lamplighter]

Something that must rip a hole in right wing sensibilities.

Sentences have been served, but still being held indefinitely in the "public interest"

Such a program rips a hole in my (left wing) sensibilities too.

I've read that the ACLU has taken positions on this sort of stuff,
but I haven't seen any higher federal court decisions.

It's incredible to me how bent out of shape societies can get over matters involving sex,
by throwing away the same civic principals they say they hold dear.

[Sundae]

What I meant, Lamp, was the feeding and housing of criminals - in this country it's considered by right wing newspapers to be a shocking waste of taxpayers' money, when they would be better off having a millstone tied around their necks and walked into the nearest stretch of water.

In fact they veritably froth at the mouth that "these people" get three square meals a day, heating and electricity. My Dad especially, says that he'd have been better off in prison for many years. I wonder if this is about escaping me and my Mum though, as I really can't see a prison indulging his favourite activity - going to Tesco (supermarket) at least once a day).

[Lamplighter]

[SamIam]

OK, I looked up what constitutes a violent sexual offender under Colorado law and the statutes say its someone who commits a sexual assault defined as a class 3 or 2 felony:

(4) Sexual assault is a class 3 felony if it is attended by any one or more of the following circumstances:

(a) The actor causes submission of the victim through the actual application of physical force or physical violence; or

(b) The actor causes submission of the victim by threat of imminent death, serious bodily injury, extreme pain, or kidnapping, to be inflicted on anyone, and the victim believes that the actor has the present ability to execute these threats; or

(c) The actor causes submission of the victim by threatening to retaliate in the future against the victim, or any other person, and the victim reasonably believes that the actor will execute this threat. As used in this paragraph (c), "to retaliate" includes threats of kidnapping, death, serious bodily injury, or extreme pain; or

(d) The actor has substantially impaired the victim's power to appraise or control the victim's conduct by employing, without the victim's consent, any drug, intoxicant, or other means for the purpose of causing submission.

(5) (a) Sexual assault is a class 2 felony if any one or more of the following circumstances exist:

(I) In the commission of the sexual assault, the actor is physically aided or abetted by one or more other persons; or

(II) The victim suffers serious bodily injury; or

(III) The actor is armed with a deadly weapon or an article used or fashioned in a manner to cause a person to reasonably believe that the article is a deadly weapon or represents verbally or otherwise that the actor is armed with a deadly weapon and uses the deadly weapon, article, or representation to cause submission of the victim.

So this is not some 18 year old kid who slept with his 15 year old girl friend. This is not even a poor, misunderstood child molester who will never again touch Jimmy's thingy or look up Susie's skirt - swear to God.

This is about the sociopath who uses physical violence, threats of death, etc and/or causes serious bodily harm to the victim and/or uses a deadly weapon to ensure submission on the part of the victim.

I am NOT happy about having a person such as this live only 3 blocks away. And if a person is predisposed to violence, I don't know that chemical castration would effectively address that issue. And I admit I have no sympathy should a VIOLENT sexual offender have to spend some time in jail. Hell, the longer, the better.

Originally Posted by Smoothmoniker

That's just not true. Sorry, I know that everyone believes this, but the research just doesn't back it up. In fact, sex offenders as a group have just about the LOWEST recidivism rate of any criminal group.

Please forgive me for maligning tranquil LA where women walk alone at night with no fear, people love their neighbor whether black, white or brown, and the police occupy themselves with doing crosswords and eating donuts all day because their job is so boring.

However, I am rather surprised that you reject the idea of a sex offender being sent to sleepy LA, since you feel the offender will never do anything naughty again.

I like Bruce's solution except that I don't know any bad asses who could implement it.

[smoothmoniker]

Originally Posted by SamIam

Please forgive me for maligning tranquil LA where women walk alone at night with no fear, people love their neighbor whether black, white or brown, and the police occupy themselves with doing crosswords and eating donuts all day because their job is so boring.

Your worldview is positively dripping with ignorance.

I've lived here my whole life, my wife and sister ride the metro alone, walk the streets of our neighborhood all the time, yes at night, yes alone. We've never even witnessed a violent crime.

There are 6 languages spoken within a 3 block radius of our house, and they all show up to hang out together for the Friday night street fair down on main street. There are no fist-fights, no race riots, and no police barricades.

And guess what - we love our kids just as damn much as you corn-fed white-bread bigots from the sticks.

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by smoothmoniker

Your worldview is positively dripping with ignorance.

I've lived here my whole life, my wife and sister ride the metro alone, walk the streets of our neighborhood all the time, yes at night, yes alone. We've never even witnessed a violent crime.

There are 6 languages spoken within a 3 block radius of our house, and they all show up to hang out together for the Friday night street fair down on main street. There are no fist-fights, no race riots, and no police barricades.

And guess what - we love our kids just as damn much as you corn-fed white-bread bigots from the sticks.

I admire your loyalty to your home town and I'm sure LA has some wonderful areas to live, etc., etc. Its just so easy to get a rise out of you, that I figured I'd pull your tail a little.

I am quite aware that people from everywhere value both their own and their children's safety - even in LA and even in the sticks.

Sociopaths, including violent sex offenders, present a major problem to modern society. In the bad old days members of a predator's town or tribe would simply have killed him or driven him out of the fold. These days we just put them in jail and eventually they go back to a community that wants no part of them - big surprise.

I am amused to be labeled a "corn fed white bread bigot from the sticks." Shucks darn. I'll concede that the last thing LA - or anywhere else for that matter - needs is more criminals. But if stating that LA and other major cities have some bad neighborhoods and a higher crime rate than sleepy little Cortez makes me a bigot, so be it. And I'll save you a slice of Wonder Bread if you ever come to visit.

[footfootfoot]

The Mercenary?

[SamIam]

The very person! Thanks, footx3!

[plthijinx]

while i was incarcerated in the td of cj i came across a guy that was dating a 16 year old girl. he was 18 at the time. mom didn't like him so she called the cops on him. yep. he now has to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life. something like that in the prison system here is ok, errrr, accepted for obvious reasons. however though, if you take the certain prisoner that comes to mind, well scumbag deserved the beating he got. and more than once i might add.

[plthijinx]

SamIam brings up a good point in saying "These days we just put them in jail and eventually they go back to a community that wants no part of them - big surprise." In my case I did not commit the crimes I went to prison for but because I went to prison and have these convictions on my record no one will hire me in my old field. industrial engineering. i've been a cellarite for a minute and there are those here that can vouch for me. it's been more than a year since i "walked out the walls" and it's frustrating. i'm used to leading a comfortable lifestyle and i tell ya, this last year has been rough. i am thankful though that i do have a job even if it's not in either of my fields (engineering and/or aviation). my point is this... i didn't do my crimes yet because the record says i did people believe the record (and why wouldn't they i understand) but people want ex-felons to improve their life/lifestyle, be productive in society, yadayadayada.... yet we don't get the chance. put us in someone else's back yard. fmr.

[xoxoxoBruce]

That's why that high school football player we talked about awhile back, refused to take the DA's plea bargain, he knew it would fuck up his life. Then they changed the law because of the public outrage over his case, but he couldn't get out because the lawmakers forgot to apply it retroactively.
Then he had to stay in jail for almost another year until the legislature got around to amending the law.