WWJK: Who would Jesus Kill - Military supplier adds bible references to rifle sights - Page 2

Urbane Guerrilla · 01-21-2010, 03:40 AM

If Trijicon really wants to take over the Wahhabi market, there are always cites of particularly martial Surahs, no?

Pico and ME · 01-21-2010, 06:39 AM

It just sounds so wrong to put a bible verse on a killing machine. This is what really pisses me off about some Christians....everything is justified conveniently away.

monster · 01-21-2010, 08:47 AM

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It just sounds so wrong to put a bible verse on a killing machine. This is what really pisses me off about some Christians....everything is justified conveniently away.

Isn't the soldier the killing machine? The gun is just a making holes in things machine...

Spexxvet · 01-21-2010, 08:53 AM

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Isn't the soldier the killing machine? The gun is just a making holes in things machine...

No. Remember? "Guns don't kill people, texting while driving kills people".*

* Property of Zengum, used without permission.

Pico and ME · 01-21-2010, 06:02 PM

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Isn't the soldier the killing machine? The gun is just a making holes in things machine...

Aw Jeez...semantics already...

Spexxvet · 01-29-2010, 01:29 PM

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Agreed.

He recognized that perceptions are not always an issue of PC but rather understanding how words and actions may be interpreted by others.

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I'm relatively sure we all realize that.

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I must have been confused by the most recent references to the PC Brigade.

I guess they realize it, but they don't care. That doesn't help.

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... who gives a damn.

To make my position perfectly clear: I don't care about the markings.

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I think a big deal is being made of it. I'm more interested in other issues - this doesn't even make it onto the list of real concerns I have.

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This whole story is stupid and has very little traction among the troops. They could give a shit. Is it sighted properly and will I hit my target is a much more important question. There is no story here.

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... fuck 'em.

I don't really give a shit.

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Go ahead and freak out if you want.

Who cares if there is a series of letters and numbers etched into the metal?

lookout123 · 01-21-2010, 09:50 AM

Pico - Seriously? You think there is a disconnect between the Bible and killing? Might want to flip through a couple pages of that book again.

The US military is not a christian or crusader's army, it is an army put forth by the US. They need tools like scopes and night sights. Those tools are made by a company that happens to put a series of letters and numbers on the equipment. If an atheist, jew, or muslim feels compelled to read those letters, grab a Bible, read the verse and be offended... fuck 'em.

Of course, you can sit and home and be offended if you want but I don't really give a shit. How many of you were offended to find out that the report on the Ft Hood shootings makes no mention of the shooter's motivation and faith? None that I can see. Read a report that there are references to Bible verses (all havign to do with light) on scopes and night vision gear and Lookout! Here comes the handwringing and tears.

Spexxvet · 01-21-2010, 10:05 AM

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Pico - Seriously? You think there is a disconnect between the Bible and killing? ...

No, just between what people who profess to be christian say and what they do.

DanaC · 01-21-2010, 09:53 AM

'all having to do with light'. The implication clearly beng that the Christian God brings the light and that non-Christians are in darkness. So the army of an ostensibly Christian nation is using guns marked with quotations referring to the Christian God's bringing of the light, against non-Christians: thereby bringing the light to them?

Onward Christian soldiers.

01-21-2010, 10:04 AM

Defense contractors should not be inscribing religious messages on anything sold to the government.

Is it s a contracting violation? IDK. Should it be our greatest concern with DoD contracting irregularities? Nope.

What those companies do with regard to private sales is their own business.

lookout123 · 01-21-2010, 10:14 AM

I'm still looking for your disconnect Pico.

Dana - the verses are about light. The equipment they are etched into draw light into them to give the ability to see at night. or we can just as easily assume it is a big slap in the face to those dirty muslims.

The verses were there before the government gave the contract. Don't like it? don't give the contract to that company. Of course, I'm willing to bet that even a muslim soldier given the choice between having and not having this "offensive" equipment would choose to have it.

In the end I'm sure Trijicon will want to keep the contract and will agree to stop etching the sights. I truly don't care. Admittedly I find it pretty funny. The only part that gets under my skin is all the people pissing and moaning about this trivial issue rather than focusing on bigger problems.

Pico and ME · 01-21-2010, 05:59 PM

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I'm still looking for your disconnect Pico.

Screw you Lookout, According to this...

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...Of course, you can sit and home and be offended if you want but I don't really give a shit...

...you dont really want to know. If you dont see my point, why should I care to explain it to you after that?

lookout123 · 01-21-2010, 07:26 PM

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Screw you Lookout, According to this...

...you dont really want to know. If you dont see my point, why should I care to explain it to you after that?

AAAh, well then - Fuck You Pico. You made a statement. I said I didn't get it. You made another statement that didn't explain it. I said I didn't get it. You don't want to explain what you meant, that's fine but just say so.

DanaC · 01-21-2010, 10:19 AM

I wasn't suggesting the contract be cancelled. Just pointing out that 'it's about light' isn't necessarily an innocuous thing in the context of a Christian nation at war with a moslem army.

lookout123 · 01-21-2010, 10:27 AM

Fair enough. It may not be as innocent as I've put it, but in the end it is still who cares item for me. Sure, there are plenty of people ready to get their panties in a twist but let's face it, most of them are just looking for something to be pissed at anyway.

01-21-2010, 03:40 AM	#1
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	If Trijicon really wants to take over the Wahhabi market, there are always cites of particularly martial Surahs, no? __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

01-21-2010, 09:50 AM	#7
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	Pico - Seriously? You think there is a disconnect between the Bible and killing? Might want to flip through a couple pages of that book again. The US military is not a christian or crusader's army, it is an army put forth by the US. They need tools like scopes and night sights. Those tools are made by a company that happens to put a series of letters and numbers on the equipment. If an atheist, jew, or muslim feels compelled to read those letters, grab a Bible, read the verse and be offended... fuck 'em. Of course, you can sit and home and be offended if you want but I don't really give a shit. How many of you were offended to find out that the report on the Ft Hood shootings makes no mention of the shooter's motivation and faith? None that I can see. Read a report that there are references to Bible verses (all havign to do with light) on scopes and night vision gear and Lookout! Here comes the handwringing and tears. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

01-21-2010, 10:14 AM	#11
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	I'm still looking for your disconnect Pico. Dana - the verses are about light. The equipment they are etched into draw light into them to give the ability to see at night. or we can just as easily assume it is a big slap in the face to those dirty muslims. The verses were there before the government gave the contract. Don't like it? don't give the contract to that company. Of course, I'm willing to bet that even a muslim soldier given the choice between having and not having this "offensive" equipment would choose to have it. In the end I'm sure Trijicon will want to keep the contract and will agree to stop etching the sights. I truly don't care. Admittedly I find it pretty funny. The only part that gets under my skin is all the people pissing and moaning about this trivial issue rather than focusing on bigger problems. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

01-21-2010, 10:27 AM	#15
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	Fair enough. It may not be as innocent as I've put it, but in the end it is still who cares item for me. Sure, there are plenty of people ready to get their panties in a twist but let's face it, most of them are just looking for something to be pissed at anyway. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

01-21-2010, 06:39 AM	#2
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	It just sounds so wrong to put a bible verse on a killing machine. This is what really pisses me off about some Christians....everything is justified conveniently away.

01-21-2010, 10:04 AM	#10
Redux Guest Posts: n/a	Defense contractors should not be inscribing religious messages on anything sold to the government. Is it s a contracting violation? IDK. Should it be our greatest concern with DoD contracting irregularities? Nope. What those companies do with regard to private sales is their own business.

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