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[DanaC]

Maybe I've misunderstood you then Radar. In which case, my apologies.

But there is (and always has been) a tendency for forthright women in the public eye to be accused of and denigrated for 'masculinity'. It happens with Coulter, it happens with Hilary Clinton, it happened with Maggie Thatcher. It has been thus for as long as there has been a 'public' sphere.

Perhaps in this case, I am mistaken and this is not what is at play here. But this is usually the thing that is thrown at women in politics in particular, by those who disagree with them politically.

[Radar]

I'm all for equality classicman. I try to avoid physical confrontation with everyone, but if if someone hits me with bad intentions, I'll hit them back without regard to their religion, age above that of a child, gender, race, etc.

[DanaC]

I don't think adults should be hitting each other at all. I do think men need to be aware of their potential for greater strength and therefore higher levels of harm. That said, if a woman punches a man I see no reason why the man shouldnt punch her right back. There's a big difference between two people having a fist-fight on more or less equal terms (as defined by the protaganists), and a strong man beating up a woman.

[Radar]

I am against any man or woman beating their spouse, and as I said, I'm against fighting in general. As a libertarian, I'm against the initiation of physical force, but not against the use of physical force in my defense.

I never start physical fights, but I always finish them.

I'm not the kind of guy who will stand by as a woman punches him or pounds on him even if I'm physically stronger than her. I've had friends who got black eyes that way. I don't see that as chivalry. I see it as stupidity. If a man is physically stronger than a woman, it's all the more reason for a woman not to start a physical fight she can't win.

[classicman]

I must be an antique. I would never never ever hit a woman - under any circumstances. If attacked by one I will attempt to defend myself (been there done that) or restrain her without hitting her. At worst I would leave.

[Trilby]

this whole thing strikes me as ridiculous.

[DanaC]

What whole thing?

[Shawnee123]

I don't believe in abuse, whether it's hitting, or name-calling (hey, I'm not in a relationship with classicman) or whatever. Women don't get to beat the crap out of a guy and he just stands there taking it. Women don't get to belittle a guy and call him all sorts of horrible things, make him feel ashamed, hurt him.

It hurts men as much as it hurts women. A long time hurt...does horrible things to a psyche.

And, I think it's harder for a man, even, to justify leaving...due to the shame society puts on him, making him feel not a man (or so he fears.) Here's an article I ran across, which I was reminded of when reading these posts:

http://marital-conflict-negotiation...._relationships

[classicman]

I cannot read that - Knowing you and what that article most likely is - It's probably what I lived through for 20 years. No thanks, I'd like to leave that psycho shit firmly behind me. well, as much as possible anyway.

Oh and you are so right shaw - "A long time hurt...does horrible things to a psyche." Even now, years later, I still have to catch myself.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I read it for you, it says kick her in the cunt.

No seriously, it says women use men's chauvinism against them.

[Radar]

Thanks for that article Shawnee. I can identify with a lot of that, especially the "Nobody will Believe Him" section. My wife has gotten a full plastic soda bottle and started smacking herself in the face with it and said she would call the cops, start crying and say I hit her. Luckily someone else was in the car to see it. My father has seen her smack her own head into the wall when she's upset. She's 115 and I'm more than double her weight and taller than her.

[Shawnee123]

C-man. I know, too, what it does to a person.

Radar, that's effed up man. I'm sorry, I feel that women who fake being abused are abusers themselves, and it's a slap in the face for women who really deal with the shit, or have dealt with the shit. It undermines the credibility of everyone who has ever been abused.

[Shawnee123]

Speaking of "eye of the beholder," do you really think yours is open?

*checks my 'eye'*

Seems fine to me.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Well reasoned? And you believe you have reason, one single reason, to apply that to your spewings? You're in worse shape than even I thought. You haven't even noticed the deafening silence coming from the rest of the Cellar, have you? Call that good presence of mind? I shan't.

You just can't make me feel bad for getting it right about Obama where you didn't, Paulie, so I'm not going to be influenced by what satisfies you as thinking. I shall think for myself, and you get nil input, owing to the quality of thought prevalent in your writings. As disconnected from mankind as you are, deep down, you have no business at all in anything to do with politics. You not only have zero people skills, you cannot even conceive they might be necessary. Comes of your narcissistic personality disorder, which is daily evidenced whenever you write.

Remember who got 63 votes when it counted, including his own. And that the winner in the field pulled in over 32,000.

[Radar]

That statement proves how little you know about politics.

I got 66 Libertarian votes during the primary or 100% of the votes of Libertarians voting in the primary election.

http://primary2006.sos.ca.gov/Returns/usrep/3500.htm

This is merely the election to see whose names will appear on the ballot during the general election....dumbass.


In the general election the votes broke down like this...

Maxine Waters (Dem)
82,498 Votes
83.8 %

Gordon Michael Mego (AI)
8,343 Votes
8.5 %

Paul T. Ireland (Libertarian)
7,665 Votes
7.7 %


Here's a little information about California's 35th district. It's among the safest districts in the United States for the Democratic Party. It has a higher percentage of registered Democrats than any other district.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Califor...ional_district


I ran in a highly gerrymandered district (racially and along party lines) where I knew I had no chance of winning the election. I had no plans on actually winning. Yet, I got a higher percentage of votes than any other Libertarian to run in the district in a 3-way race at any point since the district was created before or since.

I got the 2nd highest percentage for any third-party candidate, behind Gordon Mego. Mr. Mego got more votes than me because the Republican Party vote was split, and he's an anti-abortion, mix church and state, the war in Iraq is just fine, whacko so he got more of the Republican vote.

I did very well in the election considering I didn't spend a penny of my own money and only about $1500 of money donated to my campaign while doing most of the work myself.

My very successful vote totals had nothing to do with a lack of people skills. In fact, they prove the opposite.

Thanks for once again showing us all that you have no clue what you're talking about and no sanity, intellect, or honor to speak of along with your ever present transference attempts to foist your narcissistic personality disorder onto me.