Oct 13, 2009: Floaters - Page 2

Scriveyn · 10-13-2009, 01:15 PM

What xoxoxoBruce and classicman said ...

... plus: the volume of water increases with temparature (above 4°C), and there is a lot of the stuff in the oceans.

Spexxvet · 10-13-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Scriveyn

What xoxoxoBruce and classicman said ...

... plus: the volume of water increases with temparature (above 4°C), and there is a lot of the stuff in the oceans.

Like fish pee

Shawnee123 · 10-13-2009, 01:28 PM

OK, try this:

Take a fish

Hold it over a glass of water

Squeeze the piss out of the fish

The water in the glass will go up slightly.

This, fellow bipeds, is SCIENCE. Anybody can replicate this experiment. Every time, the results will be the same.

Spexxvet · 10-13-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

The stuff in the oceans isn't the real issue - that would fall mostly into his original example. the stuff above the water level and the landscape surrounding it would be more of a concern from that standpoint. ...

OK, try this:

Take a fish

Hold it over a landscape.

Squeeze the piss out of the fish.

When the pee runs into the ocean, it will go up slightly.

Dip the glass in the ocean.

Taste the liquid in the glass - it will taste like salty water and fish pee.

This, fellow bipeds, is SCIENCE. Anybody can replicate this experiment. Every time, the results will be the same.

Sheldonrs · 10-13-2009, 02:31 PM

There's a big ol' hole in the ozone layer. Ice is melting in places that have had ice for 10s of thousands of years. Glaciers are shrinking.
Arctic wildlife is vanishing.

Call it global warming, natural selection, bad luck or whatever.

It's all happening; it's all real and it needs to be stopped.

And unless someone can prove that all the pollution we've been pouring into the earth and the air and the water ISN'T the cause and that all the chemicals are really GOOD for us, then shut the fuck up and fix it!

dar512 · 10-13-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheldonrs

There's a big ol' hole in the ozone layer. Ice is melting in places that have had ice for 10s of thousands of years. Glaciers are shrinking.
Arctic wildlife is vanishing.

Call it global warming, natural selection, bad luck or whatever.

It's all happening; it's all real and it needs to be stopped.

And unless someone can prove that all the pollution we've been pouring into the earth and the air and the water ISN'T the cause and that all the chemicals are really GOOD for us, then shut the fuck up and fix it!

Well said.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-13-2009, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheldonrs

There's a big ol' hole in the ozone layer. Ice is melting in places that have had ice for 10s of thousands of years. Glaciers are shrinking.
Arctic wildlife is vanishing.

Call it global warming, natural selection, bad luck or whatever.

It's all happening; it's all real and it needs to be stopped.

And unless someone can prove that all the pollution we've been pouring into the earth and the air and the water ISN'T the cause and that all the chemicals are really GOOD for us, then shut the fuck up and fix it!

I think the hole has closed up, hasn't it?
The ice has been melting for 12k years, since the last ice age.
When the Arctic becomes temperate, it'll have tons of wildlife, just different kinds.
Yeah, we gotta stop adding chemical compounds into the environment, something like 60k, that nature never intended to exist.

On the bright side, if the ocean comes up, all those assholes you bitch about in Jersey, will drown.

Sheldonrs · 10-14-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

...On the bright side, if the ocean comes up, all those assholes you bitch about in Jersey, will drown.

I may just use that line for this years' Christmas Cards.

classicman · 10-13-2009, 01:36 PM

The stuff in the oceans isn't the real issue - that would fall mostly into his original example. the stuff above the water level and the landscape surrounding it would be more of a concern from that standpoint. The temperature regulation and environmental issues are affected much more by the landscape and the fact that it changes from a solid to a liquid upon melting. . . me thinks.

Oh and HOL (haggis out loud) at shaw

classicman · 10-13-2009, 02:55 PM

no no no - Prove all the pollution we've been pouring into the earth and the air and the water IS the cause... :p

This may have been happening on and off for Billions and trillions and gazillions of years. Mankind just may be here to see it this time.

Shawnee123 · 10-13-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

no no no - Prove all the pollution we've been pouring into the earth and the air and the water IS the cause... :p

This may have been happening on and off for Billions and trillions and gazillions of years. Mankind just may be here to see it this time.

Wouldn't scientists know if this is a pattern? They study those kinds of things, geologically speaking. They can tell if a trilobite farted 600 million years ago.

And farther back than approximately 4.7 billion years is irrelevant, as there was no earth before then.

classicman · 10-13-2009, 03:00 PM

Now, should we stop polluting the environment? Absolutely.

Spexxvet · 10-13-2009, 03:10 PM

If we're the cause, and we do nothing, we're fucked.
If we're not the cause, and we take action, we've only wasted our effort.
If we're not the cause, and we don't take action, it won't matter no-how, we're still fucked.
If we're the cause and we take action AND the action is effective, we'll have saved ourselves.

So why not take action?

Spexxvet · 10-13-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

...This may have been happening on and off for Billions and trillions and gazillions of years. Mankind just may be here to see it this time.

Or we saw it before, and don't remember.

spudcon · 10-13-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

If we're the cause, and we do nothing, we're fucked.
If we're not the cause, and we take action, we've only wasted our effort.
If we're not the cause, and we don't take action, it won't matter no-how, we're still fucked.
If we're the cause and we take action AND the action is effective, we'll have saved ourselves.

So why not take action?

We've also caused a whole lot of other things that will make matters worse. Case in point, ethanol in gasoline. It takes more energy to make the ethanol than any savings we may get from using it. Couple that with the drop in gas mileage that occurs by using it, and you have actually caused more pollution than if you had done nothing.
Also, the economic hardships that the goofy solutions would and are causing would be just as catastrophic as global warming.
Oh, and the planet has been cooling for almost a decade now.

10-13-2009, 01:28 PM	#3
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	OK, try this: Take a fish Hold it over a glass of water Squeeze the piss out of the fish The water in the glass will go up slightly. This, fellow bipeds, is SCIENCE. Anybody can replicate this experiment. Every time, the results will be the same. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

10-13-2009, 02:31 PM	#5
Sheldonrs Master Dwellar Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,412	There's a big ol' hole in the ozone layer. Ice is melting in places that have had ice for 10s of thousands of years. Glaciers are shrinking. Arctic wildlife is vanishing. Call it global warming, natural selection, bad luck or whatever. It's all happening; it's all real and it needs to be stopped. And unless someone can prove that all the pollution we've been pouring into the earth and the air and the water ISN'T the cause and that all the chemicals are really GOOD for us, then shut the fuck up and fix it! __________________ Laugh and the world laughs with you; cry and the world laughs AT you.

10-13-2009, 01:36 PM	#9
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	The stuff in the oceans isn't the real issue - that would fall mostly into his original example. the stuff above the water level and the landscape surrounding it would be more of a concern from that standpoint. The temperature regulation and environmental issues are affected much more by the landscape and the fact that it changes from a solid to a liquid upon melting. . . me thinks. Oh and HOL (haggis out loud) at shaw __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-13-2009, 02:55 PM	#10
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	no no no - Prove all the pollution we've been pouring into the earth and the air and the water IS the cause... :p This may have been happening on and off for Billions and trillions and gazillions of years. Mankind just may be here to see it this time. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt Last edited by classicman; 10-13-2009 at 03:01 PM.

10-13-2009, 03:00 PM	#12
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Now, should we stop polluting the environment? Absolutely. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-13-2009, 01:15 PM	#1
Scriveyn amnesic-confabulatory opsimath Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Between my ears Posts: 739	What xoxoxoBruce and classicman said ... ... plus: the volume of water increases with temparature (above 4°C), and there is a lot of the stuff in the oceans.

10-13-2009, 03:10 PM	#13
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	If we're the cause, and we do nothing, we're fucked. If we're not the cause, and we take action, we've only wasted our effort. If we're not the cause, and we don't take action, it won't matter no-how, we're still fucked. If we're the cause and we take action AND the action is effective, we'll have saved ourselves. So why not take action? __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

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