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Well perhaps you'd actually like to answer the real questions instead of bringing car insurance into it.
I've asked three times now.
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Come on, cat.
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See if you have a local "urgent care" sort of place. It's like the ER without the battle. Saturday night people convinced me I might have strep, and my local place had me examined and cultured in 20 minutes for a $30 co-pay.
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Paying for mandated health insurance is the problem.
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Good idea... I think there's one right down the street. Although I have to say that Paoli's ER is lovely and battle free.
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I'm also hoping *fingers crossed* that somehow the whole issue of how food is grown in this country is brought into the debate. The movie Food, Inc. comes out this month, and that is a HUGE problem in this country that adds to health care costs. The food itself is unhealthy. Obesity is huge problem, and there are many problems that go along with that. Also, many people who aren't fat are still not FIT, and that means they are unhealthy and that also causes health problems. Another thing that is a major problem is the cost of care in the last few months of life. We need to find a way to reduce those costs. A couple of thoughts, I know someone said something about this earlier, but the cost of executive pay in the insurance industry is one reason why costs are so high. I imagine the reason why insurance companies turn down so many claims is because they have to in order to keep their executives living high on the hog. And so people who have been paying for insurance end up in bankruptcy or losing their life savings or their homes because their claims are denied. Add to that the cost of advertising, something the government doesn't have to do, and that is another way how costs would come down. (No inflated salaries, no advertising costs.) Here is a list of a few executive salaries for 2006-7 (you know they are even higher now): ANNUAL COMPENSATION OF HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANY EXECUTIVES (2006 and 2007 figures): • Ronald A. Williams, Chair/ CEO, Aetna Inc., $23,045,834 • H. Edward Hanway, Chair/ CEO, Cigna Corp, $30.16 million • David B. Snow, Jr, Chair/ CEO, Medco Health, $21.76 million • Michael B. MCallister, CEO, Humana Inc, $20.06 million • Stephen J. Hemsley, CEO, UnitedHealth Group, $13,164,529 • Angela F. Braly, President/ CEO, Wellpoint, $9,094,771 • Dale B. Wolf, CEO, Coventry Health Care, $20.86 million • Jay M. Gellert, President/ CEO, Health Net, $16.65 million • William C. Van Faasen, Chairman, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts, $3 million plus $16.4 million in retirement benefits • Charlie Baker, President/ CEO, Harvard Pilgrim Health Care, $1.5 million • James Roosevelt, Jr., CEO, Tufts Associated Health Plans, $1.3 million • Cleve L. Killingsworth, President/CEO Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts, $3.6 million • Raymond McCaskey, CEO, Health Care Service Corp (Blue Cross Blue Shield), $10.3 million • Daniel P. McCartney, CEO, Healthcare Services Group, Inc, $ 1,061,513 • Daniel Loepp, CEO, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, $1,657,555 • Todd S. Farha, CEO, WellCare Health Plans, $5,270,825 • Michael F. Neidorff, CEO, Centene Corp, $8,750,751 • Daniel Loepp, CEO, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, $1,657,555 • Todd S. Farha, CEO, WellCare Health Plans, $5,270,825 • Michael F. Neidorff, CEO, Centene Corp, $8,750,751 http://www.slate.com/discuss/forums/post/2446099.aspx (How many freaking CEOs does Blue Cross Blue Shield have anyway I wonder?) Insurance Company CEO Compensation 2006-2007 Insurance Company Chief Executive Officer (CEO) 2007 Total Compensation 2006 Total Compensation Aetna Ronald A. Williams $23,045,834 / $19,802,476 Cigna H. Edward Hanway $25,839,777 / $21,014,486 Coventry Dale B. Wolf $14,869,823 / $13,034,126 Health Net Jay M. Gellert $3,686,230 / $6,066,913 Humana Michael B. McCallister $10,312,557 / $5,798,613 UnitedHealth Group Stephen J. Hemsley $13,164,529 / $15,549,028 WellPoint Angela Braly (2007) Larry C. Glasscock (2006) $9,094,271 / $23,886,169 http://www.insurancecompanyrules.org...tion_2006_2007 I'm afraid this won't get done because Obama is cowtowing to the very same people who have held up health care reform for the past century. Really, if republicans and the AMA and insurance companies had such great ideas on how to fix it, how come they haven't done anything? In my opinion they shouldn't get to have any input. Now they are using scare tactics, just like they have in the past, crying socialism. It worked in the past. I PRAY it doesn't work now. If we don't get it done, then the system will spiral even worse out of control than it is now. People here love to say we have the best system in the world, and they're right, IF you have money, or if you're lucky enough to have good insurance form your job. but even if you have good insurance, it isn't a guarantee that you will get the care you need. They can always deny your claim. Which they do a lot more often that most people realize. Personally, I think we should base our system on France's system. France has the best system in the world, while we are number 37. |
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I must say it was nice to hear in Obama say in his speech yesterday that if you are happy with your plan, or your doctor or your company ....you may keep them. Thats great, but at what cost? I just cannot see how this is not going to cost more than it already does and that means that I, as a productive employed citizen will be paying more. How much more is a major issue to me.
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And you have to look at the cost if we DON'T reform health care. If we don't, it will take over, and the costs will continue escalating at an astronomical rate. I really think it's a shame we aren't even debating a single payer system. I think a majority of people really want that. One thing no one has brought up, is this is tied to wages. Wages have been stagnant for most people for decades, while rising for those at the top. Health care costs have risen dramatically more than wages. If wages had kept up, the problem wouldn't be as bad as it is. (It would still be a problem though.) No one wants to raise wages though. No one wants to do health care. So we have this problem, and we will continue to have it if nothing gets done, only it continue to get worse. It's the same with energy. And gee, I'm sorry if you will have to pay more. I don't see how, unless you are above a certain income. There are plenty of productive citizens who are without insurance, through no fault of their own. It's just too damn expensive for some people. And some people had insurance, and still got screwed by their provider. So? |
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Forgive me, but I don't think you are sorry to hear that I'll have to pay more at all. It would seem that in your perfect world we'd all make about the same and have all the same benefits and the whole country would be full of "equality."
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GIve it up. It is the same old mis-informed tired arguement.
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