Vaccination & epidemic

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by tw

Now you are discussing scientifically. Such studies would be useful, informative, and how one goes about developing a hypothesis. If demonstrated that some human bodies do not detoxify themselves of particular heavy metals, then a useful fact has been provided. I have never heard of this. But then such strange medical exceptions can occur.

Yes, such studies would be useful, informative, and scientific. Several small-scale versions have been done, with the conclusions I have outlined above, but the funding for such things is extremely limited. If only someone big--like, I don't know, the CDC--could be bothered to look into it.

Originally Posted by tw

To know, both the intake and outbreak of those metals must be measured. Only measuring outgoing concentrations is too subjective - if for no other reason because the concentrations may not be detectable at all by that testing standard.

Unfortunately it's nearly impossible to measure the daily intake of metal, and it's unethical to the extreme to deliberately dose someone with a known poison. However, it's easy to determine normal versus abnormal results: In a normal person, a certain amount of metals can be measured in the urine, and then following a challenge dose of chelation drugs, that baseline amount should stay the same. The drug does nothing because the body is already outputting everything that goes in. If, on the other hand, the drug causes a large increase in the amount excreted, one can assume there is a certain backlog of metals in the body, because you can generally be certain that the individual was not suddenly exposed to such high levels of anything in the previous six hours.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Unfortunately it's nearly impossible to measure the daily intake of metal, and it's unethical to the extreme to deliberately dose someone with a known poison. However, it's easy to determine normal versus abnormal results: In a normal person, a certain amount of metals can be measured in the urine, and then following a challenge dose of chelation drugs, that baseline amount should stay the same.

If measurements are sufficiently accurate, then all food can be sampled for their metal content. If not, then no accurate measurements can exist of metals also flushed out.

A second method is periodic tissue sampling. For example, if a metal concentration increases, then hair samples can measure that concentration AND provide a timeline for those concentrations.

But again, measurements must have sufficient resolution so that what exists in food is also quantified.

A friend negotiates power plant sales. Some lands adjacent to power plants cannot be developed due to routine mercury output by fossil fuel (electric) plants. And yet these lands are safe for golf or other visitation. One who cannot detoxify heavy metals could be adversely harmed by playing golf on that course. A body that cannot flush out heavy metals would be at great risk at many public locales - speculation based in subjective reasoning.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by tw

A body that cannot flush out heavy metals would be at great risk at many public locales - speculation based in subjective reasoning.

That's correct. Usually, once a parent discovers that their child has a continuing problem with a specific metal, they have to make certain lifestyle changes to keep the exposure risk as low as possible. Usually this just means spending extra on certified lead-free cookware, making sure to drink filtered water, that sort of thing. But I know one family who replaced all their carpeting with hardwood floors after they discovered it was off-gassing something their kid was sensitive to, another who petitioned their school's janitorial staff to switch brands of cleaning chemicals, and another who went so far as to move away from their urban industrial home to an area with significantly less air pollution--though to be fair, part of that decision was also rooted in getting into a better school district as well.

[xoxoxoBruce]

When they feed chemical compounds to laboratory rats, measure the results, and determine if that compound is safe to use, they used the percentage of rats affected and how. Standard methodology.

But rarely are all the rats affected the same way, and these are rats that are specially bred to be as identical as possible. They calculate the percentage of rats, that have what type of reaction, to determine the odds.

Humans are all unique, and their reactions to elements/compounds, will vary much more than those rats. So all the statistical analysis is crap, if your child happens to be one that reacts badly to something. Unfortunately first hand action and reaction is about the only way to tell why a kid has a problem.

[Clodfobble]

I'm impressed at the detective work. In general the places that do offer the single-dose vials are saving them for babies under 6 months and the people who specifically request them, for whatever that's worth.

[Undertoad]

I looked up all other VAERS entries that came from the same lot number. There were no other neurological-related reports from that lot. The vast majority of them were pain and swelling at the injection site.

[Undertoad]

Thimerosol is a antiseptic mercury salt. It's used in the multi-dose because of the possibility of multiple needles accidentally putting some biological agent into the remaining vaccine.

[Undertoad]

Dr. Buttar addresses the National Autism Association by video.

"Basic fundamental primer, I'm going to reiterate what I have been saying for a number of years about Autism. Autism is nothing more than mercury toxicity onboard a physiology that is a genetic predisposition for the inability to excrete, or mercury toxicity onboard a physiology that can't get rid of the metal. Essentially, that's all it is."

[Clodfobble]

Dr. Buttar is incorrectly overgeneralizing. Certainly, some cases of autism are mostly, or even entirely, a result of mercury poisoning. But others are a result of different metals, while others are more rooted in immune dysfunction, or metabolic dysfunction.

What he is saying is an outdated theory, and is easy to refute with individual autism cases that do not fit that profile. He is not helping. Perhaps this is one reason that Generation Rescue backed the hell off the Desiree Jennings case, because she chose this guy rather than one of the DAN doctors they recommended for her.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Is he saying, if it's not from mercury toxicity, then it's something other than Autism? Like Autism is my name, go get your own?

[jinx]

Polio vaccine causing polio outbreaks in Nigeria.

LONDON - Polio is spreading in Nigeria and health officials say in some cases it's caused by the vaccine used to fight the paralyzing disease.

In July, the World Health Organization issued a warning that this particular virus might extend beyond Africa. So far, 124 Nigerian children have been paralyzed this year — about twice those afflicted in 2008.


Nigeria and most other poor nations use an oral polio vaccine because it's cheaper, easier, and protects entire communities. But it's made from a live polio virus which carries a small risk of causing polio. In even rarer instances, the virus in the vaccine can mutate into a deadlier version that ignites new outbreaks.


A virologist with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says genetic analysis proves such mutated viruses have caused at least seven separate outbreaks in Nigeria.

[Undertoad]

And vaccine alarmists. I welcome all.

[Flint]

You know what? I stand by my original irritation. You turn on the boob tube and some guy is (with a straight face) actually making a medical diagnosis based on watching some videos. My "fascination with how information travels" meter starts going off at that point. Doesn't yours?

[Undertoad]

You said "some guy" again.

Yes, where "some guy" is Dr. Stephen Grill, who spent three years in a neurology residency; four years in a fellowship on movement disorders with the National Institutes of Health; is a Medical Advisor for the Dystonia Medical Research Foundation; is lead physician at the Parkinson's & Movement Disorders Center of Maryland; and is a tenured professor at Johns Hopkins, where Desiree was diagnosed.

So: what's the motivation for a neurologist with a specialty in movement disorders to lie about this or make something up? He puts his reputation on the line for... the sake of a few minutes of local news air time?

As someone with deep training and experience, this some guy sees things that we don't. The woman has lost muscular control except when she speeds up, or goes backwards instead of forwards. Her knees cannot not support her to get to the starting line of a 10 k race... and then immediately work perfectly to run the race... and then immediately can't support walking again. Her knees work walking backward, but immediately not forward... and then immediately work again walking backward. Can dystonics suffers ever do that? I can easily imagine an expert drawing broad conclusions on that basis.

Similarly, which I haven't posted about: Dr. Buttar reported that soon after her cure, she only lost speech abilities when talking about her condition. The change in her ability to speak wasn't an inability to say certain syllables, requiring muscle control. It's not that she couldn't get her tz's out. It was the *meaning* of the words, the *emotion* behind the words, her very beliefs that changed her ability.

Like running versus walking, it's using the same muscles but in a different psychological state. So, psychosomatic? I think you think it was.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

The woman has lost muscular control except when she speeds up, or goes backwards instead of forwards. Her knees cannot not support her to get to the starting line of a 10 k race... and then immediately work perfectly to run the race... and then immediately can't support walking again. Her knees work walking backward, but immediately not forward... and then immediately work again walking backward. Can dystonics suffers ever do that? I can easily imagine an expert drawing broad conclusions on that basis.

Did you watch the second video I linked back in post 435? Seems to be the same kinda thing going on, although much less dramatic.