AIG - Page 5

DanaC · 03-08-2009, 07:22 AM

Advertising is, by its very nature, engaged in a kind of arms race with consumers. At first adverts were simple and bold (and freely able to lie, but that's besides the point) but we (the consumers) became more sophisticated. Adverts had to be creative and find new ways to reach us because we were too sophisticated for the old style of ads. We watched the sophisticated flashy new ads and we got more sophisticated. They ramped up their game and we learned about their new tricks. We became more active in our consumption: making demands, being difficult customers. We openly engaged in the advertising dialogue. We chose to interact with it at a much deeper level. It has grown ever more sophisticated, but so have we.

There is something a little elitist about your assumptions regarding the majority of your compatriots.

sugarpop · 03-08-2009, 08:21 AM

Elitist? Moi? Wow. Well, I am a liberal, so I suppose it isn't surprising that someone would call me that.

I observe, and then I make deductions based on those observations. I mean really, look at what sells- which magazines, which TV shows. Turn on the TV and watch some reality programming. Those are real people, even though the shows are scripted. Geez. Jerry Springer. The Bachelor. Britney Spears. Paris Hilton. Ann Coulter et al. Even the news media is not a serious entity anymore. I am surrounded by this culture, and the older I get, the more I hate it and the less hope I have for future generations. I know I am cynical, like, extremely cynical. But that cynicism is there for a reason. My observations have been proven right over and over and over.

In all fairness I will say this, the American people, while self-absorbed and insecure, really are a great people. We pull together when times are hard. I know a lot of people who would give me the shirt off their back, even if it was their last one. So while I believe the things I said are true, I also believe we are very giving and sincere as a people. I want to believe the best about people, I want to see the best IN people, and I try to do that, but I also see all the greed, and corruption, and I get angry, and when I get angry, I become very judgemental. Really, on an individual basis, I am not nearly so judgemental as I am about society as a whole. And ftr, I am guilty of those things as well. And I hate it when I catch myself being that way. I will say, when I don't watch TV or look at magazines, I become a lot less judgemental. When I'm not bombarded by advertising, I feel a lot less stressed.

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Randal Graves: But, I love gatherings, isn't it ironic?

lookout123 · 03-09-2009, 11:11 AM

AIG's annuity and life insurance just got bumped out of the single largest distribution network they've had for more than a decade. Two years ago that distributor produced $.70 of every dollar in annuity sales AIG produced. Tell me that won't leave a mark.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-09-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Funny how you are now a centrist, since when? I notice that you constantly call out one right wing wacko and NEVER mention those on the far left who do exactly the same thing. Why is that?

Because the left wing wackos don't post in the Cellar.

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Originally Posted by lookout123

AIG's annuity and life insurance just got bumped out of the single largest distribution network they've had for more than a decade. Two years ago that distributor produced $.70 of every dollar in annuity sales AIG produced. Tell me that won't leave a mark.

Everything I've seen says AIG's insurance arm is still sound and profitable. Only their excursion into securities was/is fucked up. But the headlines have people afraid of the name. Maybe that's why AIG insurance is now 21st Century.

classicman · 03-09-2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Because the left wing wackos don't post in the Cellar.

Bullshit.

slang · 03-15-2009, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Because the left wing wackos don't post in the Cellar.

lookout123 · 03-09-2009, 12:52 PM

Mostly true. AIG's insurane and annuity divisions were never in trouble. They were profitable and doing quite well in fact. The problem is that with all of the the bad press with the name it is harder to get people to put money into their products even when they are sound. That creates the snowball effect of depleting their reserves which causes the rating agencies and analysts to downgrade their credit rating, which in turn causes producers to shy away from their products. Their single largest distributor just pushed them out of the system meaning not one of their 10,000+ advisors can use the products anymore.

While AIG's insurance arm was still sound and profitable... they won't be soon.

DanaC · 03-09-2009, 03:14 PM

Does that mean I am no longer considered a left wing wacko? *grins*

classicman · 03-09-2009, 03:56 PM

NO! You are the resident commie. Unfortunately you post too rationally.

lookout123 · 03-09-2009, 03:59 PM

You hide your wacko-ness pretty well, so it fools some folks. being a manc tart also confuses the issue.

Aliantha · 03-09-2009, 05:21 PM

yeah...specially take away food.

ZenGum · 03-09-2009, 11:38 PM

The middle-class white male is the only permitted target of mockery and ridicule left. You see it in ads all the time.

As a middle-class white male I am cool with this because I do get all the perks from being the mainstream.

TGRR · 03-09-2009, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum

The middle-class white male is the only permitted target of mockery and ridicule left. You see it in ads all the time.

As a middle-class white male I am cool with this because I do get all the perks from being the mainstream.

Yep. Let 'em laugh. I have STUFF.

Plus, I don't get beat up when I get pulled over.

classicman · 03-10-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum

The middle-class white male is the only permitted target of mockery and ridicule left.

Yup and I am personally gonna file a discrimination suit against, well against somebody. I want equal abuse onto everyone or else.

Aliantha · 03-09-2009, 11:52 PM

Recently a teenager was pulled over and the cops made him lie face down on the road in cuffs.

He got run over.

He was white middle class male.

03-09-2009, 11:11 AM	#3
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	AIG's annuity and life insurance just got bumped out of the single largest distribution network they've had for more than a decade. Two years ago that distributor produced $.70 of every dollar in annuity sales AIG produced. Tell me that won't leave a mark. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

03-09-2009, 12:52 PM	#7
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	Mostly true. AIG's insurane and annuity divisions were never in trouble. They were profitable and doing quite well in fact. The problem is that with all of the the bad press with the name it is harder to get people to put money into their products even when they are sound. That creates the snowball effect of depleting their reserves which causes the rating agencies and analysts to downgrade their credit rating, which in turn causes producers to shy away from their products. Their single largest distributor just pushed them out of the system meaning not one of their 10,000+ advisors can use the products anymore. While AIG's insurance arm was still sound and profitable... they won't be soon. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

03-09-2009, 03:56 PM	#9
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	NO! You are the resident commie. Unfortunately you post too rationally. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

03-09-2009, 03:59 PM	#10
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	You hide your wacko-ness pretty well, so it fools some folks. being a manc tart also confuses the issue. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

03-09-2009, 05:21 PM	#11
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	yeah...specially take away food. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

03-08-2009, 07:22 AM	#1
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Advertising is, by its very nature, engaged in a kind of arms race with consumers. At first adverts were simple and bold (and freely able to lie, but that's besides the point) but we (the consumers) became more sophisticated. Adverts had to be creative and find new ways to reach us because we were too sophisticated for the old style of ads. We watched the sophisticated flashy new ads and we got more sophisticated. They ramped up their game and we learned about their new tricks. We became more active in our consumption: making demands, being difficult customers. We openly engaged in the advertising dialogue. We chose to interact with it at a much deeper level. It has grown ever more sophisticated, but so have we. There is something a little elitist about your assumptions regarding the majority of your compatriots.

03-08-2009, 08:21 AM	#2
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	Elitist? Moi? Wow. Well, I am a liberal, so I suppose it isn't surprising that someone would call me that. I observe, and then I make deductions based on those observations. I mean really, look at what sells- which magazines, which TV shows. Turn on the TV and watch some reality programming. Those are real people, even though the shows are scripted. Geez. Jerry Springer. The Bachelor. Britney Spears. Paris Hilton. Ann Coulter et al. Even the news media is not a serious entity anymore. I am surrounded by this culture, and the older I get, the more I hate it and the less hope I have for future generations. I know I am cynical, like, extremely cynical. But that cynicism is there for a reason. My observations have been proven right over and over and over. In all fairness I will say this, the American people, while self-absorbed and insecure, really are a great people. We pull together when times are hard. I know a lot of people who would give me the shirt off their back, even if it was their last one. So while I believe the things I said are true, I also believe we are very giving and sincere as a people. I want to believe the best about people, I want to see the best IN people, and I try to do that, but I also see all the greed, and corruption, and I get angry, and when I get angry, I become very judgemental. Really, on an individual basis, I am not nearly so judgemental as I am about society as a whole. And ftr, I am guilty of those things as well. And I hate it when I catch myself being that way. I will say, when I don't watch TV or look at magazines, I become a lot less judgemental. When I'm not bombarded by advertising, I feel a lot less stressed. Dante Hicks: You hate people! Randal Graves: But, I love gatherings, isn't it ironic?

03-09-2009, 03:14 PM	#8
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Does that mean I am no longer considered a left wing wacko? grins

03-09-2009, 11:38 PM	#12
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	The middle-class white male is the only permitted target of mockery and ridicule left. You see it in ads all the time. As a middle-class white male I am cool with this because I do get all the perks from being the mainstream. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

03-09-2009, 11:52 PM	#15
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Recently a teenager was pulled over and the cops made him lie face down on the road in cuffs. He got run over. He was white middle class male. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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