The American form of Government - Page 7

TheMercenary · 02-23-2009, 04:47 PM

Just because anarchist/socialists share some common views about government does not mean they are even close on the spectrum of common thinking.

sugarpop · 02-24-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Just because anarchist/socialists share some common views about government does not mean they are even close on the spectrum of common thinking.

That's because you don't understand the concepts then, or aren't willing to look at them objectively. If you can't see where they are compatible, then I'm not going to explain it to you. I've done that numerous times on SMN, and I know you've read the argument. On most political charts (like some of the ones posted in this thread), anarchists and socialists are in the same quadrant.

piercehawkeye45 · 02-23-2009, 09:33 PM

Anarchists are almost always considered leftists. Anarcho-capitalists can technically be considered anarchists because they share the same ideas about a lack of state but they do not share the same ideas on equality, labor, and just about everything on an economic scale, which many anarchists consider an essential part of anarchy.

TGRR · 02-23-2009, 10:04 PM

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Anarchists are almost always considered leftists.

Except for the Libertarian Party, and anything involving Ayn Rand.

But the other two guys are leftists, sure.

DanaC · 02-24-2009, 01:17 PM

I havent met many anarchists who weren't lefties, but that might be because I am in the UK. I think our political spectrum is subtly different.

piercehawkeye45 · 02-24-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

I havent met many anarchists who weren't lefties, but that might be because I am in the UK. I think our political spectrum is subtly different.

Anarcho-capitialists exist in the United States but anything that has the legitimate label of anarchist is leftists. That's what I have seen at least.

Flint · 02-24-2009, 01:49 PM

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Anarcho-capitialists ...

I thought that was a kind of techno.

sugarpop · 02-24-2009, 07:29 PM

Libertarians are both left and right. It depends on the KIND of libertarianism you support (corporate, personal, or both). Same goes with anarchy. It doesn't matter what country you're in.

TheMercenary · 02-24-2009, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop

Libertarians are both left and right. It depends on the KIND of libertarianism you support (corporate, personal, or both). Same goes with anarchy. It doesn't matter what country you're in.

I see, now you want to qualify it. Mk.

Wraith · 03-01-2009, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop

Libertarians are both left and right. It depends on the KIND of libertarianism you support (corporate, personal, or both). Same goes with anarchy. It doesn't matter what country you're in.

Left libertarians are ignorant people who full themselvs believing they can be free without private property and individual rights.

Libertarianism may have started as a left ideology but it has evolved to a greater concept of personal liberty, respect for the rights of the individual and political and economic freedom.

sugarpop · 02-24-2009, 10:03 PM

whatever dude. you are just being argumentative.

TheMercenary · 02-24-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop

whatever dude. you are just being argumentative.

Not whatever, back up your statement. They are not similar ideas.

sugarpop · 02-25-2009, 01:02 AM

Look it up. Every political chart out there supports my statement. At least, every chart I've seen. In fact, look at some od the charts already posted, and go read about them.

Clodfobble · 02-25-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

fixed ur chart

I beg to differ. I have known some very smart douchebags. For example: an ex-boyfriend who has a PhD in math and now teaches at CalTech. He once threw a math textbook at my head. I am willing to concede, however, that very few people can successfully populate quadrant I.

DanaC · 02-25-2009, 04:30 PM

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He once threw a math textbook at my head.

Just be glad he wasn't a historian...weighty tomes

02-23-2009, 04:47 PM	#1
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Just because anarchist/socialists share some common views about government does not mean they are even close on the spectrum of common thinking. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

02-23-2009, 09:33 PM	#3
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Anarchists are almost always considered leftists. Anarcho-capitalists can technically be considered anarchists because they share the same ideas about a lack of state but they do not share the same ideas on equality, labor, and just about everything on an economic scale, which many anarchists consider an essential part of anarchy. __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

02-24-2009, 01:17 PM	#5
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I havent met many anarchists who weren't lefties, but that might be because I am in the UK. I think our political spectrum is subtly different.

02-24-2009, 07:29 PM	#8
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	Libertarians are both left and right. It depends on the KIND of libertarianism you support (corporate, personal, or both). Same goes with anarchy. It doesn't matter what country you're in.

02-24-2009, 10:03 PM	#11
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	whatever dude. you are just being argumentative.

02-25-2009, 01:02 AM	#13
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	Look it up. Every political chart out there supports my statement. At least, every chart I've seen. In fact, look at some od the charts already posted, and go read about them.

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