Obama: "I'm ready to negotiate with you, Iran." Iran: "Fuck you."

[morethanpretty]

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

Me too. Especially since the half life of Tritium is about 12 years. Pretty clean environment in a couple of decades. After reading a wiki article on it there was this ominous quote:
"One significant drawback of the weapon is that not all targeted troops will die or be incapacitated immediately. After a brief bout of nausea, many of those hit with about 5-50 Sv of radiation will experience a temporary recovery (the latent or "walking ghost phase"[12]) lasting days to weeks. Moreover, these victims would likely be aware of their inevitable fate and react accordingly."

Walking ghost phase?
So...they turn into zombies and start killing indescrimnately?
OMG, my worst nightmare. *shudders* I hate zombies.

[tw]

Without a wacko extremists for a counterparty, even Iran's Ahmadinejad has conceded to what a responsible leader does. Without threats from Cheney, his position as an elected leader is further threatened by another moderate - Khatami. From the Washington Post of 11 Feb 2009:

Iran is ready for dialogue with the United States, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday, directly addressing the U.S. administration in his most measured remarks to America since President Obama took office.

"The new U.S. government has announced that it wants to create change and follow the path of talks. It's very clear that true changes should be fundamental and not tactical," Ahmadinejad said during a massive rally in Tehran to celebrate the 30th anniversary of the Islamic revolution that overthrew the U.S.-backed shah of Iran.

"These talks should be held in a fair atmosphere in which there is mutual respect," he added. ...

Ahmadinejad's overtures are made under tight supervision by Iran's other leaders, analysts say. "When he speaks, he does so with the approval of the Supreme National Security Council," a group that includes representatives of the country's religious, military and other power centers, said Mohammad Marandi, head of the North American studies department at the University of Tehran.

"They will decide if Iran will really deal with the United States," Marandi said. "It's the United States that should send signals first. They need Iran more than we need them," he added. "Iran can help the U.S. in Iraq, Afghanistan. Pakistan is unraveling, Iran also wants security and stability in those nations. The fact that they now work separately makes it impossible to get things done."

George Jr did Cheney's bidding. Amadinejad answers to his supreme council of neocon clerics. But simply remove a neocon extremist and suddenly something, always necessary for peace, is possible. Talking.

[dmg1969]

I just love the irony of our free society. M.A. calls America The Great Satan (and Israel, The Little Stan) and calls for the destruction of both. Yet, we spend our taxpayer dollars to protect his scrawny, Member's Only wearing ass when he's here to attend U.N. functions. The funny thing is that most Iranians don't know about that. Let some nut take a shot at him or kill him while he's here though......

And, as for trying Bush for war crimes? Sure...right after you remove the sitting Treasury Secretary for not paying taxes and charging Tom Daschle. Oh wait...they're Dems, so that's OK.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by dmg1969

I just love the irony of our free society. M.A. calls America The Great Satan (and Israel, The Little Stan) and calls for the destruction of both. Yet, we spend our taxpayer dollars to protect his scrawny, Member's Only wearing ass when he's here to attend U.N. functions. The funny thing is that most Iranians don't know about that. Let some nut take a shot at him or kill him while he's here though......

And, as for trying Bush for war crimes? Sure...right after you remove the sitting Treasury Secretary for not paying taxes and charging Tom Daschle. Oh wait...they're Dems, so that's OK.

You are comparing not paying taxes to WAR CRIMES? WOW. Glad to see you have some perspective.

[dmg1969]

No, I am not comparing the two. And, that would be WAR CRIMES (in your skewed opinion). I just thought I would use the most recent examples of Dems getting a pass on their own wrong-doing. It just so happens that no matter what a Democrat seems to do...fellow Dems in power (and the Dem voters) give them a pass. Didn't pay your taxes? Well, you said you're sorry...it was an oversight, so all is well. It's disgusting. Marion Barry ring a bell?

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by dmg1969

No, I am not comparing the two. And, that would be WAR CRIMES (in your skewed opinion). I just thought I would use the most recent examples of Dems getting a pass on their own wrong-doing. It just so happens that no matter what a Democrat seems to do...fellow Dems in power (and the Dem voters) give them a pass. Didn't pay your taxes? Well, you said you're sorry...it was an oversight, so all is well. It's disgusting. Marion Barry ring a bell?

OK. I do not know much about TGs case, so I can't really comment on that with any honesty, but in the case of TD, I do believe he made an honest mistake, and once he realized it, he corrected that mistake. Hell, I didn't pay my taxes once for several years. I knew I owed th money but I just didn't have it. I talked to the IRS periodically about it. I did eventually pay it, along with the interest and penalties. Does that make me a cheat?

[lookout123]

I believe they should be tried in an International Court, by International Standards.

screw that. The leaders of the US would be foolish to ever allow International Courts the power to rule over the people who are elected to lead our nation.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by dmg1969

I just love the irony of our free society. M.A. calls America The Great Satan (and Israel, The Little Stan) and calls for the destruction of both. Yet, we spend our taxpayer dollars to protect his scrawny, Member's Only wearing ass when he's here to attend U.N. functions. The funny thing is that most Iranians don't know about that. Let some nut take a shot at him or kill him while he's here though......

And, as for trying Bush for war crimes? Sure...right after you remove the sitting Treasury Secretary for not paying taxes and charging Tom Daschle. Oh wait...they're Dems, so that's OK.

Don't worry. We've tried to assassinate foreign leaders before and we'll do it again. But if we use very expensive bombs and missiles fired by guys wearing uniforms, it doesn't count as an assassination attempt.

We bombed the presidential palace in Libya in response to what we thought was Libyan involvement in a disco bombing. Since our air force can pretty much send a plane or a cruise missile with impunity against any country in the Middle East, we can take them out at will on their home territory and call it an 'act of undeclared war'.

1986 - US bombs Libyan military facilities, residential areas of Tripoli and Benghazi, killing 101 people, and Gaddafi's house, killing his adopted daughter. USsays raids were in response to alleged Libyan involvement in bombing of Berlin disco frequented by US military personnel.

[Undertoad]

Let us compare actual, prosecutable crimes to Bush-hater's fantasy crimes and see what comes of it. Sug, which *particular* war crime would you start with, and in which court?

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Let us compare actual, prosecutable crimes to Bush-hater's fantasy crimes and see what comes of it. Sug, which *particular* war crime would you start with, and in which court?

Bush and Cheney have both admitted in interviews that they authorized waterboarding, which is defined as torture in the Geneva Conventions, which we helped put into place, and we have always agreed to until bush was in office. WE have tried and prosecuted people for waterboarding. Plus, we used other forms of torture as well.

So, I believe they should be tried in an International Court, by International Standards. If the international community decides to let them go, then so be it. But I do not believe we can just turn our backs on standards that we helped put in place, and that the international community has agreed to, for years, simply because we want to or because we all of a sudden decide, on our own, that what we do isn't torture, or that we are somehow above the law.

[Undertoad]

Bush and Cheney have both admitted in interviews that they authorized waterboarding, which is defined as torture in the Geneva Conventions

The people that were waterboarded were not prisoners of war in any of the numerous ways defined by Geneva, and so, Geneva doesn't apply.

[sugarpop]

Those laws are there for a reason. They are to protect OUR SOLDIERS as much as to protect people in our custody. If the shoe were on the other foot, you guys would be screaming bloody murder. You are using a double standard. If we are going condone torture by our government, regardless of whether the prisoners are POWs as defined by the Geneva Conventions or not, then we can't expect anyone to take us seriously when our guys are tortured, and we want justice for them.

[lookout123]

you don't honestly believe our POW's have been handled according to the Geneva Conventions do you?

[Undertoad]

If you want to prosecute someone, you go by the law, not what you hope might be the law.

Do you want to try again?

[sugarpop]

We cannot have a double standard simply because it's convenient.

If we refuse to abide by laws that we helped write, then we can't expect anyone else to treat us with any kind of respect.

Torture is NOT an acceptable way to treat people, I don't give a shit who they are or bad they are. It doesn't work anyway. It never has.