why do men kill their families?

[wolf]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

HA! I beg to differ. [/sarc]

Beg away. I get off on that.

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by classicman

Perhaps that is because women are typically smaller than their male counterparts and don't usually kill by the same means. Women tend to use drowning or drugs to murder their children. Men on the other hand are far more likely to murder with a weapon like a knife or gun.


FAIL! Sorry, first off, no one murders their children without severe mental illness involved. Secondly, perhaps women are more open in sharing emotional things beforehand and thats why their diagnoses are more readily defined, categorized than mens.

SHITTY

I don't like that. I don't care what the rest of the post says.....that is rude.

[OnyxCougar]

Originally Posted by DanaC

but mainly I think its because we are at our core, just another animal.

No, no, no! Humans are *not* animals. Never were. That is a bullshit, cop out, Evolutionary response.

Nothing personal, Dana, it really isn't; believe what you want, but stuff like that hits my button every time.

(ETA)
If your theory of humans are just animals at their core, and you want to look to animal behavior for "proof", then it really doesn't matter why people do what they do. They do it because it's "natural to do it. Animals frequently kill their offspring, and no one calls them crazy, it's just what they do.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

No, no, no! Humans are *not* animals. Never were. That is a bullshit, cop out, Evolutionary response.

Nothing personal, Dana, it really isn't; believe what you want, but stuff like that hits my button every time.

*smiles* I don't take it personally Onyx.

You are wrong...but then I would say that, wouldn't I?

[OnyxCougar]

Originally Posted by DanaC

You are wrong...but then I would say that, wouldn't I?

Yup, that's why I love you! You stick to what you believe in! :P

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

(ETA)
If your theory of humans are just animals at their core, and you want to look to animal behavior for "proof", then it really doesn't matter why people do what they do. They do it because it's "natural to do it. Animals frequently kill their offspring, and no one calls them crazy, it's just what they do.

I'm very strongly with Dana on this. Whether we want to believe it or not, our personality and actions are largely dictated by conditioning. Some animals can be conditioned very efficiently and some can not. Dogs can be domesticated to the point where they are completely non-violent. We can do the same to humans. We can train a dog to be a blood thirsty killer. We can do the same to humans.

We are obviously much more complex then dogs and possess a decently rational thought process but it is impossible to ignore that people who are raised under completely different ideals are completely different people.

[classicman]

thanks wolf - I'll take the "definition" option.
IMO - if you kill your own kids you're nuts - period. Then again perhaps there is a Darwinian justice here somewhere.

[Cicero]

Yah I am not sure how men could act on "different impulses" and kill their family. Is really killing your family merely just an impulse? Or an insane impulse that was carried out?

[DanaC]

I was referring to the stuff we looked at on the bad santa thread. There were various sources shown which suggested that there was a difference in terms of mental health.

Naturally it depends on your definition of what is or is not mentally healthy.

[wolf]

Even crazy people engage in criminal acts for criminal, rather than crazy, reasons.

[Cicero]

So, you admit. It's crazy...

To me, if I pondered killing my entire family, I would deem myself crazy. I would send myself away to a hospital.

That is not included in my personal view of good mental health.

[Cicero]

I don't think I want to see them get away with it either. Not only do you have to be crazy, you have to be an asshole. Yes, that is my professional opinion. lol!

I mean- didn't you guys see, "the shining?" What an asshole.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by jinx

People who are truly crazy aren't responsible for their actions, don't understand right/wrong. Personally, I don't want to see "crazy" people getting away with murder just because they fit C'mans definition of nuts.

At what point did I say that I thought they should get away with it due to their insanity? I don't feel that is a valid excuse at all, quite the opposite in fact - especially for murdering someone.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by classicman

At what point did I say that I thought they should get away with it due to their insanity? I don't feel that is a valid excuse at all, quite the opposite in fact - especially for murdering someone.

Wolf pointed out that you don't have to be insane to kill your family and you disagreed.

Pointing out that someone who kills their children/family is fucked in the head is stating the obvious. Calling them insane suggests that they are not legally responsible for their actions, not competent to stand trail etc.. Refusing to accept that truly insane people exist and sometimes commit criminal acts without intending to is like saying that people with depression just need to cheer up.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by jinx

Refusing to accept that truly insane people exist and sometimes commit criminal acts without intending to is like saying that people with depression just need to cheer up.

Perhaps that is your analogy perhaps, not mine.