Plane Crash in Husdon River 16th Jan 2009 - Page 5

classicman · 01-21-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

Maybe 100 different sources are cited.

Why would you confuse an example with actual sources?

tw - are you serious? There is not one cite in that post. Perhaps because the movie is the closest thing to a source provided by tw.

Perhaps tw doesn't know what citing a source is?

xoxoxoBruce · 01-22-2009, 01:01 AM

He posted his summation of a bits and pieces of information, and speculation, that have been posted on the web and published in a bunch of different publications.

There's probably not one person in the world that knows exactly what went down. The best we can do is add as many pieces of the puzzle as we can find and see how it fits. But that's a hell of a lot of work, like the research good authors do, and the chance of getting 100% right is rarely possible.

That said, we can get a feeling for when the workings of a organization shift direction or seem to have no direction at all.

classicman · 01-22-2009, 02:19 PM

I'd like something - ANYTHING - over "Its true because I said so."
And then when challenged to ignore repeated requests by multiple posters. That doesn't work.

tw · 01-22-2009, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

I'd like something - ANYTHING - over "Its true because I said so."

But that is not what you said. You said that you have no knowledge but will accuse anyway.

If you have doubts, then post facts that justify those doubts. You never post any justification for your doubts. It is how you attack others rather than contribute to the discussion.

Meanwhile, what was posted comes repeatedly from many sources who were there - such as Collin Powell. Those who could not bother to read what they said can learn what happened as demonstrated in the movie "W." Posted was what anyone should have or could have read. What Powel, O'Neill, and so many others who were there have said. Said and published.

Moving on from what is known: More interesting is how decisions were being made during those last three months. The process seems to have completely broken down. Senior staff (ie Paulson and Bernanke) were making decisions independently without any curiosity or coordination from the rest of that administration. Even the Annapolis Conference completely vaporized with virtually no consideration or analysis. It was as if the entire administration had no guidance. Any effort to define objectives or 'tow the line' appears to have completely disappeared - except when George Jr stepped in to change a decision (ie the second TARP request).

George Jr apparently had only one objective - to make a smooth transition with Obama. Curious is how and why decision making in the last three months completely broke down.

classicman · 01-22-2009, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

But that is not what you said.

That is exactly what I said.

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Originally Posted by tw

You never post any justification for your doubts. It is how you attack others rather than contribute to the discussion.

Total and complete FAIL

The problem is that tw posts his opinions worded to read as facts, then when asked to back the post up with some substance or supporting evidence tw ignores the repeated requests.

jinx · 01-22-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

The problem is that tw posts his opinions worded to read as facts, then when asked to back the post up with some substance or supporting evidence tw ignores the repeated requests.

I'm curious.... does anyone think this is stating the obvious? Does anyone disagree with this statement?

Shawnee123 · 01-23-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jinx

I'm curious.... does anyone think this is stating the obvious? Does anyone disagree with this statement?

What's ironic is the same twisting occurs by the poster of the "given" statement. This twisting usually ends with a "who ME" innocent ploy.

It's really a horrible dance to watch. I mean seriously, I'd rather go back to doing The Hustle or The Bump.

OnyxCougar · 02-06-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx

I'm curious.... does anyone think this is stating the obvious? Does anyone disagree with this statement?

Well, I've been gone awhile, but way back in the day, TW would made a statement and then post a link to alots of sources, usually the Economist.

In fact, his posts would drone on for days and Radar used to make it a point to post that he didn't read TW's post because it was so long.

I seem to recall some sort of flap right before I left about how TW wasn't really TW and stuff like that, but don't remember much more than that.

Not that it helps, I'm just sayin'.

Aliantha · 01-22-2009, 10:45 PM

It goes without saying...

ZenGum · 01-23-2009, 05:45 AM

I think Beest is correct. Bush is a puppet. No, wait, was. Bush was a puppet.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-23-2009, 11:07 AM

Every job he's ever had was a puppet for other people(money) that needed a public face.

tw · 01-23-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum

I think Beest is correct. Bush is a puppet. No, wait, was. Bush was a puppet.

The question asked in jest is actually a serious question of what happened during those last three months. Curious is a pardon for Libby - Cheney's #1 man. Why did Libby not get pardoned? Did George Jr decide to take a swipe at Cheney? Or did Libby get something not often known about - a secret pardon?

Was George Jr still taking orders from Cheney in the last days? A question asked seriously about an administration that appeared to slowly break down during its last three months.

classicman · 01-23-2009, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

A question asked seriously about an administration that appeared to slowly break down during its last three months.

I think it broke a long time before that.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-24-2009, 03:31 AM

Yup, broke.

ZenGum · 01-23-2009, 11:22 PM

So... are you saying Cheney was a lame-duck vice-president, and because he was on the way out Bush could muck around?

01-22-2009, 01:01 AM	#2
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	He posted his summation of a bits and pieces of information, and speculation, that have been posted on the web and published in a bunch of different publications. There's probably not one person in the world that knows exactly what went down. The best we can do is add as many pieces of the puzzle as we can find and see how it fits. But that's a hell of a lot of work, like the research good authors do, and the chance of getting 100% right is rarely possible. That said, we can get a feeling for when the workings of a organization shift direction or seem to have no direction at all. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-22-2009, 02:19 PM	#3
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I'd like something - ANYTHING - over "Its true because I said so." And then when challenged to ignore repeated requests by multiple posters. That doesn't work. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

01-22-2009, 10:45 PM	#9
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	It goes without saying... __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

01-23-2009, 05:45 AM	#10
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	I think Beest is correct. Bush is a puppet. No, wait, was. Bush was a puppet. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

01-23-2009, 11:07 AM	#11
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Every job he's ever had was a puppet for other people(money) that needed a public face. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-24-2009, 03:31 AM	#14
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Yup, broke. Attached Images __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-23-2009, 11:22 PM	#15
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	So... are you saying Cheney was a lame-duck vice-president, and because he was on the way out Bush could muck around? __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

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