Anyone being affected by Proposition 8? - Page 5

Bullitt · 11-15-2008, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

Whatever you say douchebag. I didn't say people should be thrown out for disagreeing with me. I said they should be thrown out for violating the rights of other citizens. It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing on a subject. If that's all that was happening, there wouldn't be a problem. It's not the words of the right-wing dickheads like you that bother me. It's the actions.

They are taking actions to violate the civil rights of one set of citizens simply because they don't like them. This makes them unworthy of living in America. In fact, it makes them unworthy to live period. If they get to decide on whether other people marry, then I get to decide whether or not they are allowed to live.

Now run along you little cock jockey and try to pretend that I haven't beaten you in every political debate we've ever had.

Well then you better stock up on bullets because you've got 6,156,848 "unworthy" people that you need to take care of oh Constitutional Savior.

TheMercenary · 11-16-2008, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Radar

Whatever you say douchebag. I didn't say people should be thrown out for disagreeing with me. I said they should be thrown out for violating the rights of other citizens. It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing on a subject. If that's all that was happening, there wouldn't be a problem. It's not the words of the right-wing dickheads like you that bother me. It's the actions.

They are taking actions to violate the civil rights of one set of citizens simply because they don't like them. This makes them unworthy of living in America. In fact, it makes them unworthy to live period. If they get to decide on whether other people marry, then I get to decide whether or not they are allowed to live.

Now run along you little cock jockey and try to pretend that I haven't beaten you in every political debate we've ever had.

Sundae · 11-14-2008, 01:41 PM

Doesn't affect me in the slightest. We have civil partnerships in the UK, as I think much of Europe in fact. I know quite a few people who have married under this agreement, both famous (ie I've read about it) and personal friends.

Doesn't seem to have caused any particular trouble.

smoothmoniker · 11-14-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

Doesn't affect me in the slightest. We have civil partnerships in the UK, as I think much of Europe in fact. I know quite a few people who have married under this agreement, both famous (ie I've read about it) and personal friends.

Doesn't seem to have caused any particular trouble.

California also had, and still has, civil unions. They guarantee the same-sex partners same rights that opposite-sex couples have.

The battle is over the word "Marriage", and what it means, not over what rights certain domestic partners do or do not have.

classicman · 11-14-2008, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by smoothmoniker

California also had, and still has, civil unions. They guarantee the same-sex partners same rights that opposite-sex couples have.

The battle is over the word "Marriage", and what it means, not over what rights certain domestic partners do or do not have.

Damn facts getting in the way of a good argument - - - again.

Radar · 11-14-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

Doesn't affect me in the slightest. We have civil partnerships in the UK, as I think much of Europe in fact. I know quite a few people who have married under this agreement, both famous (ie I've read about it) and personal friends.

Doesn't seem to have caused any particular trouble.

In America, a civil union does not grant the same rights as a marriage. Also, who is anyone to tell someone else what word they will use to describe their union? That's the main gist of it.

classicman · 11-14-2008, 01:55 PM

Pico, you didn't answer either of the questions. Any reason?

Pico and ME · 11-14-2008, 01:56 PM

Which questions were asked of me, Classic?

classicman · 11-14-2008, 02:00 PM

Uh, Oops wrong thread. Take a look at "Does Anyone feel like Bailing"

HungLikeJesus · 11-14-2008, 02:27 PM

There was a church in North Carolina (I think) that said it wouldn't give communion to anyone who voted for Obama. This, to me, seems like an abuse.

Pancakes.

Shawnee123 · 11-14-2008, 02:35 PM

Coercion!

Bagels.

Bullitt · 11-14-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Coercion!

Bagels.

Exactly, it is not illegal to try and influence people (advertising). As distasteful as it might be to hear what some people say, they have a right to say it. Yeah it's annoying to listen to the Westboro Baptist Church people spread their hate, and yeah the Mormons are a bunch of weirdos in my opinion, but they have equal rights to spread their message so long as they don't literally force anyone to do anything is what I'm getting at.

And TW, I was not intentionally twisting your words. I saw you mention the Prop 8 in your post and that's what I built my response on simple as that.

Sundae · 11-14-2008, 03:01 PM

Ah. Arguing over semantics.
Well, there you go, it's not that Americans are more conservative than Europeans, it's that European gays aren't as pedantic.

Radar · 11-14-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

Ah. Arguing over semantics.
Well, there you go, it's not that Americans are more conservative than Europeans, it's that European gays aren't as pedantic.

It's not an argument over semantics. It's matter of civil rights. Even if a civil union carried all of the same rights as a marriage in America (and it doesn't), it would amount to having white drinking fountains and black drinking fountains or having gay people sit in the back of the bus.

Ibby · 11-15-2008, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

Ah. Arguing over semantics.
Well, there you go, it's not that Americans are more conservative than Europeans, it's that European gays aren't as pedantic.

America has a nasty history with the idea of 'separate but equal'.
Separate but equal never really is.

11-14-2008, 01:55 PM	#7
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Pico, you didn't answer either of the questions. Any reason? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

11-14-2008, 02:00 PM	#9
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11-14-2008, 02:27 PM	#10
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	There was a church in North Carolina (I think) that said it wouldn't give communion to anyone who voted for Obama. This, to me, seems like an abuse. Pancakes. __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

11-14-2008, 02:35 PM	#11
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Coercion! Bagels. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

11-14-2008, 01:41 PM	#3
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Doesn't affect me in the slightest. We have civil partnerships in the UK, as I think much of Europe in fact. I know quite a few people who have married under this agreement, both famous (ie I've read about it) and personal friends. Doesn't seem to have caused any particular trouble.

11-14-2008, 01:56 PM	#8
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	Which questions were asked of me, Classic?

11-14-2008, 03:01 PM	#13
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Ah. Arguing over semantics. Well, there you go, it's not that Americans are more conservative than Europeans, it's that European gays aren't as pedantic.

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