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Exactly what is the scandal? Where she and most Americans come from, an abortion would be the scandal. I think liberals will be the only ones not ignoring this. From here it looks like a family addressing a problem inside the bounds of their belief system.
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Yes, I meant abortion--and adoption, and the daughter raising her child as a single parent. I don't think adoption is available as a hypocrite-free option to the conservative politician. I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to prove with your analogy. Are you saying that Palin is so pure in her beliefs, that she could never regret her decisions leading up to her daughter's situation? Are you equating birth control with murder? |
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And there's the rub. Currently, the Feds only fund abstinence-only education instead of ABC. Whether she likes it or not, the American Academy of Pediatrics has come out against abstinence-only education, deeming it less effective and safe than including contraception.
The federal government, however, has tied conditions to it's funding contrary to the opinions of most experts due to social bias. Schools are not even given a choice. Her personal situation only highlights the fact that she's in denial about teen sexuality. The fact that her daughter is getting married is nice, but ignores the fact that marriage due to pregnancy is not the recipe for a lasting marriage, and that girls and boys do not always have sex with individuals that they would choose as lifelong partners in marriage.
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I'm saying I don't think she "secretly wishes" that she had encouraged her daughter to use birth control--and to suggest that she does implies that her daughter's pregnancy 'serves her right,' and that the only reason she is against birth control education is because she was too stubborn to imagine what it would be like to experience an unwanted pregnancy in her own family. I think it's patronizing, and like I said earlier, partisan to the point of cruelty. My analogy was attempting to draw a comparison with some moral belief that I guessed you would feel strongly about, just as she feels strongly against abortion and birth control education. I don't know if she regrets her childrearing decisions or not, but I would say that her behavior certainly doesn't indicate a change of heart, so speculating about it beyond that is at best irrelevant and at worst haughty. When you say Quote:
If her daughter had an abortion, everyone would be screaming that she was a hypocrite. Because her daughter is going to keep the baby, everyone is screaming... that she's still a hypocrite, but one who is so desperate not to appear hypocritical that she will take the genuine path? That sneaky, sneaky politician. |
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And furthermore, it still doesn't make it a scandal--if anything, this whole thing may very well give her a boost among social conservatives, because she's walking the talk, 100%. |
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The thing is, Palin's stances on these issues make me angry. So sure, it was meant partly to be mean. But haughty? Uh uh. I feel too strongly about the importance of sex education to just have a "haughty" attitude about her daughter's situation. Maybe Palin hasn't ever wished she did things differently, but I do. And since she's running for second in command of the country I live in, I feel like it's my business. |
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My fear is that, unfortunately, as a result of this VERY high profile teen pregnancy, teen pregnancy rates will climb. Thats not a good thing.
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What's the big deal, especially if the daughter is getting married? I would assume that the daughter will set up housekeeping somewhere with her new husband, not move in with Mom and Dad. So who cares if Grandma has to go somewhere on Air Force 2? The child's mother is traditionally the one responsible for her own child. And if Grandma (and Grandpa) want to slip the newlyweds a few bucks, so they can buy their own home in Alaska or anywhere else, who cares about that either?
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Did/do you have the same fears wrt Jamie Lynn Spears' pregnancy?
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The rates actually started to increase a bit after that one....this one will only add to its impact. Rates had been in decline since 1991.
I dont mean to demonize teen pregnacy, but there are negatives associated with it....and those negatives are even more pronounced when the girl does not come from a rich family. |
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