McCain's Running mate

[lookout123]

Bri, I am not a republican. I'm fiscally conservative which isn't very republican friendly these days. Socially my liberal/conservative rankings move based on the issues. and here's the thing - i DIDN'T like John McCain. I'm still not a big fan. I believe there are better choices, unfortunately I don't believe any of them are in the race at this point so I am tentatively supporting McCain.

I don't like Hilary for a number of reasons but I would have preferred her to Obama.

I don't like Obama because it was obvious when he spoke at the convention in '04 that the newbie was being groomed for a run. He is a fantastic speaker when on the teleprompter, but he gets away with not saying much. Those are the nitpicky things I don't like. beyond that I don't like his ideas on healthcare, taxes, or foreign policy. but that's just me - i only get one vote, just like you.

my point on the McCain thing was - big friggin deal, the guy didn't know how many pieces of property he owns. He's rich. Really freaking rich and they're just investments to him and his family. There are better things to critique a candidate on than the soundbyte issues.

That was my point four years ago and it will be my point in four more years. Look at the issues and don't get sidetracked by the easy cheesy media blurbs. (D's = McCain's houses, R's = Obama's religion)

*and no I don't have to check before answering - I only own two houses and I worry about those every day. They make up a very very large part of my net worth. The very wealthy don't worry about individual investment holdings on a daily basis.

[Shawnee123]

You speak wise words, lookout.

We don't agree on some things, but I like what you said up there.

[Trilby]

Sorry, Lookout, for assuming you were a Republican. My bad. I guess I automatically think "republican" when I think "fiscally conservative", but that's family history stuff, so, no worries.


and, i was just trying to "be cute," as they say. His richness doesn't really bother me, hell, Cindy's the one with the dough. And as for "elitist", like Jon Stewart, I say, "hell YES I want somebody better than me to lead the country!" so elitism doesn't bother me overmuch. I want my prez to be educated in the finest schools, not embarrass our country whilst overseas, know things I've never even thought of...all that stuff. I just am on a McCain dump as I don't like his choice of running mate and I truly DO think he's out of touch.

[lookout123]

I agree. I think he is out of touch. I also believe Obama is out of touch. I prefer McCain's decision to not pretend he's a middle class guy who knows what it's like to live paycheck to paycheck, worrying about the price at the pump. He's rich, admits he's rich but knows not everyone is and he knows they are the people who vote.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Brianna

Sorry, Lookout, for assuming you were a Republican. My bad. I guess I automatically think "republican" when I think "fiscally conservative", but that's family history stuff, so, no worries.


and, i was just trying to "be cute," as they say. His richness doesn't really bother me, hell, Cindy's the one with the dough.

That's the point. The houses are actually owned by his wife. They are her investments. I don't think he knows because he could really care less.

[Shawnee123]

I also agree that I want someone running the country who is better than ME! I also believe that the leader of the free world should be a good speaker, and that good speaking is a good barometer (but not always) of intelligence.

McCain is not horrible in those aspects, that's for sure. I just don't see him speaking for "me" whereas Obama is more along the line of my sensibilities.

I'll say it loud and clear in front of the Cellar and FSM and everyone: I WANTED HILLARY!

Let the flames begin.

[lookout123]

I WANTED HILLARY!

Let the flames begin.

are you saying we should burn that witch at the stake?!?

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

I also agree that I want someone running the country who is better than ME! I also believe that the leader of the free world should be a good speaker, and that good speaking is a good barometer (but not always) of intelligence.

McCain is not horrible in those aspects, that's for sure. I just don't see him speaking for "me" whereas Obama is more along the line of my sensibilities.

I'll say it loud and clear in front of the Cellar and FSM and everyone: I WANTED HILLARY!

Let the flames begin.

I doubt anyone will flame you for wanting Hillary. I'm sure you, and all of the real Hillary supporters (not republicans pretending to be angry Hillary supporters) will now back Barack Obama as Hillary and Bill Clinton are doing.

It's this simple....

If you like the job Bush has done wrecking our economy, attacking our civil rights, launching an unwarranted, unprovoked, and unconstitutional war of aggression against a nation that posed no threat to ours, if you like American kids dying without cause while not even defending America, and you want a lot more of the same....vote for McCain.


If you'd prefer a man of honor, integrity, honesty, character, moral fiber, eloquence, and class who will lead America into the right direction for a change and a man who looks at military force as a last resort rather than a first resort, and you are tired of having Washington insiders who make backroom deals running the country....vote for Obama.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Radar

If you like the job Bush has done wrecking our economy, attacking our civil rights, launching an unwarranted, unprovoked, and unconstitutional war of aggression against a nation that posed no threat to ours, if you like American kids dying without cause while not even defending America, and you want a lot more of the same....vote for McCain.

Purest balderdash, each and every word. You're wrong. Taking out Saddam at the time we did was like taking Hitler out during Sudetenland -- much less trouble than it was later, no? We were wise enough to time taking down a tyrant when it was easier, you purblind dupe! Your opinion shouldn't even count with you, so ill-informed and baseless is it. Why can you not accept that destroying tyrants liberates people?! Shame on you ten billion times for your myopia and your inability at foreign policy.

If you'd prefer a man of honor, integrity, honesty, character, moral fiber, eloquence, and class who will lead America into the right direction for a change and a man who looks at military force as a last resort rather than a first resort, and you are tired of having Washington insiders who make backroom deals running the country....vote for Obama.

Sucker. And you claim a superior intellect??? Ha ha. Trouble with Obama is he's in the party that has sought nothing but substitutes for victory, which means it's a party of tyrant-loving, therefore honor-challenged, morons with no capacity for strategy. Such associations cannot nurture integrity, wisdom, or national success. The original Carter was unsuccessful enough -- where's any necessity for a repeat?

Class and eloquence Obama is gifted in. We shall see what transpires with this in the future.

First resort? The historical record that you are ignoring top to bottom, radar (again, your beyond stupid irrational antiRepublican prejudices, carefully and with malice cultivated to floridity, are plain), says otherwise. You are wrong, and you won't make yourself right. You haven't even enough integrity or character to read and digest Gerson's Heroic Conservatism, which sets the record convincingly straight on the Bush Presidency. I challenge you to do this, considering it 80 percent likely you will fail the challenge, because a closed irrational mind can't be anything but a stupid one. Your failure is grotesque, your opinion valueless.

[Shawnee123]

Throw her in the pond and see iffin' she floats?

[lookout123]

Hey, you're not holding her down the right way, Bill!

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by lookout123

Minority? Check
Not ancient? Check
DC outsider? Check
"Maverick"? Check

What did you guys expect? Most of the other big potentials were either tied to the Bush camp somehow (that's bad) or would turn the conservative base off even more (also bad). Inexperience is Obama's shortcoming, not McCain's so picking an old school DC person would have gained nothing.

I don't know enough about her to say if I like her or not, but this makes sense if you are looking for a complimentary VP candidate.

I'm with lookout. My first reaction when I saw this was, "Well duh." She seems like such an obvious choice to me. If Hillary had won the Democratic nomination, you can bet your ass McCain would have picked a Black man or a Hispanic man. (And he definitely would not have picked a woman in that case, for the same reason that he could never pick a black man now that he's running against Obama--because it would be like offering that community a consolation prize; it would be seen as hugely offensive.)

[sweetwater]

Palin bothers me on a gut level - body language, expressions, that sort of thing. I'll dig into the issues now that there is a running mate and try to not let my twitching antennae rule my vote, (but they are good antennae...) No matter who I like I should vote for the other candidate because I have never voted for anyone who won. So although I can't tell you will win, I can be pretty sure who will lose.

[deadbeater]

I predicted that McCain would chose Palin. His choice was clear after Obama's speech. Any other VP pick and that pick would be eaten alive by the energized Democratic machine. All the Democracts would say about Palin is that she's 'inexperienced'. As a rabid fan of Obama, I know that a successful mother of five can gain and draw as much experience to do anything as the most seasoned diplomat. Just because she isn't paid for motherhood, it doesn't mean her experience being a mother doesn't count. After all, she also have to 'mother' the dysfunctional government of Alaska, the sneaky oil companies, and the now-disowned Ted Stevens.

[Trilby]

Yes, deadbeater, but she's also pro-life. That probably won't win a lot of Hilary supporters over. And, truly, do you think being a mother prepares you to deal with foreign policy? come on.