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Old 07-02-2008, 10:51 AM   #1
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offensive. because he's implying HE's the only critical thinker around. And I hate the repeated use of the word, "meme."
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Old 07-02-2008, 11:03 AM   #2
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I used "meme" in Scrabble a few months ago. My opponents had never heard of it. We didn't have any dictionaries handy so they accepted my use of a Blackberry to look up the Wikipedia definition. I won the game with that word.
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Old 07-02-2008, 12:28 PM   #3
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When do we get some kool-aid?
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Old 07-02-2008, 12:38 PM   #4
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Note that this is not a reply but another piece that he has posted elsewhere.
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Old 07-02-2008, 01:27 PM   #5
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Note that this is not a reply but another piece that he has posted elsewhere.
Since we're not self-actualized critical self-CT motivated actualization-selves, the same reply applies to all of us. Our new, repetitive overlord (whom I welcome) is hosting a meta-seminar for the ignorant masses.
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Old 07-03-2008, 06:33 AM   #6
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Since we're not self-actualized critical self-CT motivated actualization-selves, the same reply applies to all of us. Our new, repetitive overlord (whom I welcome) is hosting a meta-seminar for the ignorant masses.

Our world is becoming too complex for the luxury for apathy.
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Old 07-03-2008, 07:08 AM   #7
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As a non-reading member of our community, you have no idea how Flint feels about anything. Your spamming all assumes that we don't live rich thoughtful lives. You are spamming the wrong community.
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Old 07-02-2008, 12:43 PM   #8
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Okay. I think I get what you're talking about now, coberst. I thought you were talking about critical thinking, as opposed to Critical Thinking. I was immediately aggravated by the implied suggestion that your audience (i.e us) do not engage in critical thinking. If what you're talking about is a particular disipline, that's a different matter altogether.

The thing is, this place is chock-full of dwellars questioning and mulling over some very deep (and some deeply trivial) matters. I don't think 'Critical Thinking' need be taught as such in order to learn how to think critically. Many (most) of the people that I engage with most closely, are what I would term 'critical thinkers'.
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Old 07-03-2008, 06:31 AM   #9
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Okay. I think I get what you're talking about now, coberst. I thought you were talking about critical thinking, as opposed to Critical Thinking. I was immediately aggravated by the implied suggestion that your audience (i.e us) do not engage in critical thinking. If what you're talking about is a particular disipline, that's a different matter altogether.

The thing is, this place is chock-full of dwellars questioning and mulling over some very deep (and some deeply trivial) matters. I don't think 'Critical Thinking' need be taught as such in order to learn how to think critically. Many (most) of the people that I engage with most closely, are what I would term 'critical thinkers'.
I agree, everyone is a "trust but verify" thinker. I think that we must go far beyond that form of thinking. Our world is far too complex for such a mode of thinking.
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Old 07-03-2008, 07:14 AM   #10
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I agree, everyone is a "trust but verify" thinker.
You say you agree then clarify with a point that stands in stark opposition to what I just said. What precisely do you mean by "trust and verify"?
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Old 07-03-2008, 02:13 PM   #11
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You say you agree then clarify with a point that stands in stark opposition to what I just said. What precisely do you mean by "trust and verify"?
'Trust and verify' is a phrase President Reagan popularized.

To trust means to rely upon what another person might say but later verify the validity of the statement.
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Old 07-03-2008, 02:17 PM   #12
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I agree, everyone is a "trust but verify" thinker.
How do you know what kind of thinker "everyone" is? I mean, think about it--that's crazy.
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Old 07-04-2008, 05:56 AM   #13
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How do you know what kind of thinker "everyone" is? I mean, think about it--that's crazy.
How does an accomplished tennis player recognize a neophyte tennis player?
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Old 07-03-2008, 09:43 AM   #14
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I agree, everyone is a "trust but verify" thinker.
Everyone but you, and you're the only one that knows it. How likely is that?

The kind of thought process in which one feels strongly that they have acquired a special knowledge apart from other humans can often be attributed to a simple manic episode, i.e. the more enjoyable, upswing cycle of manic-depression. The brain's reward mechanism goes haywire, reinforcing even silly or simple ideas to the point that they appear profound or unique.

Later on, when you're curled up in a fetal position on the bathroom floor, with a gun pressed up under your jaw, but you're too much of a coward to pull the trigger, please take a moment to consider what I'm saying here.

Your soul-crushing self-doubt at that moment will be the polar opposite to the delusion of grandeur you are feeling now.
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Old 07-03-2008, 02:49 PM   #15
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To trust means to rely upon what another person might say but later verify the validity of the statement.
Unless you are planning to be an expert on everything, all, the gestalt, the whole shebang, then you will need to take someone's word for something at some time.
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