Gas Prices: Who's to Blame? - Page 2

Pie · 06-16-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

I voted, but I have reservations about the negative connotations of the word "blame." Sure, it hurts in the short term, but the price of oil going up is inevitable and necessary. The price spiking is the only thing that's ever going to push alternative fuels beyond a curiosity.

DING DING DING DING!

Spexxvet · 06-16-2008, 03:06 PM

Dutch

Undertoad · 06-16-2008, 12:26 PM

30% Greater demand ie China, India and others
15% Dollar weakness
15% Iranian asshattery
15% Hesitation over ANWR, oceanic, shale drilling
10% Refinery capacity
5% Failure of Iraq to come online at greater capacity
5% General inflationary pressure
5% Failure of ethanol as a moderating factor
3% Conservation failures
2% Oil company profiteering

HungLikeJesus · 06-16-2008, 03:52 PM

Spexx, I haven't heard from you in a while. How are things?

Clodfobble, I used the word "blame" because that's what everyone seems to be doing - blaming everyone but themselves.

I'd blame me, except that I know it was that other guy's fault.

Sundae · 06-16-2008, 07:00 PM

Gordon Brown.
Well the media in this country reckon he is personally responsible for everything from knife crime to obesity to the teenage pregnancy rate (he must have a hell of a Saturday night!)

Then again, Ken Livingstone was responsible for London's crime rate, pollution, the overspend on the 2012 Olympics and Wagon Wheels getting smaller, so it might have been his fault too.

I like this new blame game. I'm going to start blaming Boris Johnson for the recent spate of acid reflux attacks occurring in my oesophagus. And for the noise pollution that stops me sleeping every Sunday night (also known as HM bringing people home from Open Mike Night). I demand action!

jinx · 06-16-2008, 07:06 PM

Wow, lots of choices.... since I drive an suv I just assumed it was my fault...

spudcon · 06-16-2008, 10:28 PM

If it's blame you're looking for, why not blame George W Bush? Everyone seems to blame him for everything else.

HungLikeJesus · 06-17-2008, 08:57 AM

I just read spudcon's comment, then saw this in an article on denverpost.com:

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"Sixty-two dollars," Teresa Avila said to no one in particular.

"They want $62. Sixty-two frigging dollars of my money that I definitely can't afford," she continued when realizing she had an audience. "I could do a lot with $62. A whole lot. Sixty-two dollars. I can't believe it. Can you believe it? I can't believe it."

And so it went at a central Denver gas station Monday morning as Avila spent a day's worth of net pay to top off her Dodge Caravan.

The 50-something, self-described "cleaning lady and grandma" was fuming to strangers about oil companies and car companies, George Bush and Dick Cheney and "politicians getting rich off the backs of working people." The term "rip-off" passed her lips more than once during her tirade, as did several expletives not fit for a family newspaper. ...

Maybe she'll come here and vote in our poll.

TheMercenary · 06-17-2008, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus

I just read spudcon's comment, then saw this in an article on denverpost.com:

Maybe she'll come here and vote in our poll.

"George Bush and Dick Cheney and "politicians getting rich off the backs of working people." Her anger is misplaced IMHO, but it is a convenient excuse for people when they are unsatisfied with the current executive branch.

TheMercenary · 06-17-2008, 12:49 PM

Yea, I agree, Bush. Well not really because that is sort of stupid. Like Pelosi is sort of pulling a Cheney (ala 9/11 and Iraq) and trying to link Bush/Cheney to the price of gas, if she repeats it enough people will begin to believe it.

I just had to vote for myself, cause, well it was there.

This was a very good example why the price is to high (hit listen now and enjoy):

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=91573893

HungLikeJesus · 06-17-2008, 12:52 PM

TheMercenary, I was hoping someone would vote for you.

I don't think prices are too high - I think they could go a little higher.

TheMercenary · 06-17-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus

TheMercenary, I was hoping someone would vote for you.

I don't think prices are too high - I think they could go a little higher.

Check out my NPR link. I think it was very good at exposing both sides of the extreme and the rationality of some recent proposals.

headsplice · 06-17-2008, 01:03 PM

All of the above. Maybe with different discriminations than UT, but still. No one is blameless here.
Also, I heard that gasoline prices on the continent hit EU1.99/liter. That translates too...$17.96/gallon. So us USians should stop bitching

HungLikeJesus · 06-17-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by headsplice

All of the above. Maybe with different discriminations than UT, but still. No one is blameless here.
Also, I heard that gasoline prices on the continent hit EU1.99/liter. That translates too...$17.96/gallon. So us USians should stop bitching

At 1.55 euro/dollar, I get $11.73/gal - still quite high.

Can anyone confirm the 1.99 euro/liter price?

Perry Winkle · 06-17-2008, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus

Can anyone confirm the 1.99 euro/liter price?

There were "gougers"* trying to charge £1.99 in parts of the UK (there was a fuel delivery strike), according to the BBC.

* If the market will bear the cost how is that wrong? People who cry gouging seem to be the same ones who cry about life being unfair.

View Poll Results: Who is to blame for recent gas price increases?
Market speculators	14	40.00%
Oil companies	13	37.14%
Oil producing countries	8	22.86%
China	10	28.57%
US Automakers	9	25.71%
Lack of refining capacity	10	28.57%
US government/lawmakers	11	31.43%
The Federal Reserve	7	20.00%
Dark Markets	4	11.43%
TheMercenary	7	20.00%
US Consumers	12	34.29%
Other	13	37.14%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 35. You may not vote on this poll

06-16-2008, 03:06 PM	#2
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	Dutch __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

06-16-2008, 03:52 PM	#4
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	Spexx, I haven't heard from you in a while. How are things? Clodfobble, I used the word "blame" because that's what everyone seems to be doing - blaming everyone but themselves. I'd blame me, except that I know it was that other guy's fault. __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

06-16-2008, 07:00 PM	#5
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Gordon Brown. Well the media in this country reckon he is personally responsible for everything from knife crime to obesity to the teenage pregnancy rate (he must have a hell of a Saturday night!) Then again, Ken Livingstone was responsible for London's crime rate, pollution, the overspend on the 2012 Olympics and Wagon Wheels getting smaller, so it might have been his fault too. I like this new blame game. I'm going to start blaming Boris Johnson for the recent spate of acid reflux attacks occurring in my oesophagus. And for the noise pollution that stops me sleeping every Sunday night (also known as HM bringing people home from Open Mike Night). I demand action! __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

06-16-2008, 07:06 PM	#6
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	Wow, lots of choices.... since I drive an suv I just assumed it was my fault... __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

06-16-2008, 12:26 PM	#3
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	30% Greater demand ie China, India and others 15% Dollar weakness 15% Iranian asshattery 15% Hesitation over ANWR, oceanic, shale drilling 10% Refinery capacity 5% Failure of Iraq to come online at greater capacity 5% General inflationary pressure 5% Failure of ethanol as a moderating factor 3% Conservation failures 2% Oil company profiteering

06-16-2008, 10:28 PM	#7
spudcon Beware of potatoes Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY, USA Posts: 2,078	If it's blame you're looking for, why not blame George W Bush? Everyone seems to blame him for everything else. __________________ "I believe that being despised by the despicable is as good as being admired by the admirable."

06-17-2008, 12:49 PM	#10
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Yea, I agree, Bush. Well not really because that is sort of stupid. Like Pelosi is sort of pulling a Cheney (ala 9/11 and Iraq) and trying to link Bush/Cheney to the price of gas, if she repeats it enough people will begin to believe it. I just had to vote for myself, cause, well it was there. This was a very good example why the price is to high (hit listen now and enjoy): http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=91573893 __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

06-17-2008, 12:52 PM	#11
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	TheMercenary, I was hoping someone would vote for you. I don't think prices are too high - I think they could go a little higher. __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

06-17-2008, 01:03 PM	#13
headsplice Relaxed Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 676	All of the above. Maybe with different discriminations than UT, but still. No one is blameless here. Also, I heard that gasoline prices on the continent hit EU1.99/liter. That translates too...$17.96/gallon. So us USians should stop bitching __________________ Don't Panic

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