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So, next we'll be buying pollution products from China to fuel our economy. I'm assuming people in this country won't allow us to drill for our own pollution products?
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Great now even the airliners will smell like french fries..
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Beware of potatoes
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snip" The United States still has a vast lead in carbon dioxide emissions per person. The average American is responsible for 19.4 tons." snip
!9.4 tons per person per year? per minute, per lifetime? Is that CO2 counting exhalation? And who's been here measuring my CO2 anyway. If I can make 19.4 tons float in the atmosphere, I don't think we have an energy crisis anymore. I think this is just more nonsense, trying to make America look bad because we succeed more than any other system out there, and have been for 200 years.
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Tornado Ali
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19.4 tons/year = 38,800 pounds / 365.25 days = 106.23 pounds/day Since this is carbon dioxide, not pounds of solid coal equivalent or something, it seems preposterously high. Let's see what the figures would mean if applied to an 80-year lifetime: 19.4 tons / lifetime = 38,800 pounds / 80 years = 485 pounds/year = 1.33 pounds/day That seems more like it--good catch, spudcon. (I wanted to give you a gold star, but the closest thing in the smiley list is the Vietnamese flag.) ![]() It's be nice if the Times appended a clarification to the online article sometime soon. I sure wouldn't doubt, though, that relative to the other nations listed, the U.S. per cap average is really, really high, as suggested by the numbers, lifetime or whatever. Much of this production represents an amazing benefit to the whole world, and the rest of the world doesn't seem to say, "I love you," enough. They might be grudgingly thinking it every now and then, like when another pop tart springs out into the world from Disney like Athena from the head of Zeus. ![]() A star is born--from the minds of Imagineers--to benefit an impressed mankind. Still, it'd be nice to hear those three little words every now and then. ![]() ![]() ![]() Maybe they do try to tell us, but our "U.S.A.! U.S.A.!" chant drowns out their tender, attractively accented whispers. One has to admit, in any case, that a lot of American production and consumption is a colossal, screeching waste of, of, everything. I hate to see a jillion rampantly materialistic Chinese surpassing that as a whole, or start to approach it per capita. |
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So, HLJ, how does that graph have credibility, given what Imigo computed of 106.23 pounds per day per American. That figure will be higher yet, if you consider children too young to have access to CO2 emitting equipment. But still, even 106+lbs a day is ridiclous.
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It's not what you personally produce. It's your share of all the power plant's output, your share of all the motor vehicles, trains and planes, your share of all the concrete production and construction. It adds up to nearly 20 tons per person, per year.
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We all know China has a lot of construction going on, but check out this graph of concrete use in 2007 by country. This is not per capita, but overall. Based on this data.
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I've never had it fully explained to me yet (but maybe Al Gore can produce the explanation - he does that well, with glib answers for most things that are difficult to explain) .. how Carbon Dioxide, which is a heavier-than-air gas .. can climb to sufficient stratospheric heights, and in sufficient quantities, to act as a global warming agent .. ??
Note the simple explanation on the following site .. and I quote .. CO2 gas is 1.5 times as heavy as air, thus if released to the air it will concentrate at low elevations. http://www.uigi.com/carbondioxide.html (it's towards the bottom of the first text box ..) Now, I notice on the following, MI university, glib GW site .. no mention ANYWHERE of Carbon Dioxide being 1.5 times as heavy as air .. and concentrating at LOW ELEVATIONS .. ?? Global Warming Horror .. http://www.umich.edu/~gs265/society/greenhouse.htm Maybe I missed something in science class?? .. maybe it was when I was asleep?? .. or maybe when it was I was too busy admiring how shapely, and how long, the legs were, on Miss Snorks .. ?? ![]()
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I think I see how this works. We(theUS) put 20 tons of CO2 per year per capita in tha atmosphere, while China, which has a very huge population, are, for the moment, is charge with only 2 tons per year per capita. What about the actual readings per country?
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The average American is responsible for 19.4 tons. Average emissions per person in Russia are 11.8 tons; in the European Union, 8.6 tons; China, 5.1 tons; and India, 1.8 tons. . . . [Earlier] In 2007 China’s emissions were 14 percent higher than those of the United States. You engineers might smirk, but I like simple "story problems" ![]() 1 Chinese population / U.S. pop. = 1,322 million (2007 est.) / 301 mil = 4.39 Chinese per cap emissions (tons) / U.S. = 5.1 /19.4 = 0.2629 Pop. ratio X per cap emissions ratio = 4.39 X 0.2629 = 1.15, or close to "14 percent higher" in article 2 (Chinese pop. X per cap emissions) / (U.S. pop. X per cap) = (1,322 mil X 5.1 tons)/(301 mil X 19.4 tons) = 6,742.2 million tons / 6,014.0 mil tons = 1.12, or close to the "14 percent higher" of the article. Quote:
[Future side research project: How much CO2 per day does the average adult produce simply from respiration? Is it even 1 pound?] But 106 pounds a day. Really, somebody's wasting a lot of fossil fuels, building stuff, etc. in a way that I would not approve and would never make use of. ![]() ![]() ![]() "Lincoln leaves for Washington, D.C., from Springfield, Illinois" (larger version) |
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