May 30, 2008: Uncontacted Indigenous People - Page 3

Cicero · 06-01-2008, 03:21 AM

LJ that must have been one of your best posts eva!!!

lol! That rocked!!!

spudcon · 06-01-2008, 06:36 AM

Well, whoever or whatever he/she is, he/she's using a hula hoop.

Elspode · 06-01-2008, 12:54 PM

I think it makes sense to leave these people in their original state. I mean, we want to leave unlogged forests and shit, right? Why not leave a culture that sprang from that hopefully virginal arboreta?

There's a theory that goes something along the lines of "How will we know how shit is supposed to work if we fuck with it before we've learned everything about it?" I think leaving these people relatively unsullied falls under that heading.

Besides, they've now got some bitchin' new tales to tell around the fire about how Og chased off the flying monster with his mighty bow and magickal incantations. I mean, its not like they've got scriptwriters standing by to go on strike like we do...

tombstone · 06-01-2008, 01:37 PM

Point one: Seems to me all discussions about what is "best" for them are moot, if coming into contact with us is going to kill off 50% of them due to lack of immunity to our diseases.
Point two: Seems to me that showing their pictures and pinpointing their locations--"Here they are! Let them alone!"--is tantamount to screaming "Don't think of feathers!" Doomed, either way.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-01-2008, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tombstone

snip~ Point two: Seems to me that showing their pictures and pinpointing their locations--"Here they are! Let them alone!"--is tantamount to screaming "Don't think of feathers!" Doomed, either way.

The pictures are necessary to prove to the government they are in fact there, so the government will make laws to protect their turf from loggers and farmers. Also, they are not revealing exactly where this tribe is.

tombstone · 06-01-2008, 07:02 PM

I wish I could concur. Unfortunately, the Brazilian government took the pictures, and allowed as to how this tribe is on the boarder with Peru and threated with Peru's logging. I can't feel optimistic for them.

Sundae · 06-01-2008, 07:42 PM

Tombstone has a good point Bruce. Also, given that the governments of both countries have little to no control in the logging areas of the rainforest at present (hence the call for other countries to refuse the import of hardwoods) it seems likely the tribe will be assimilated into generator dependency within the next ten years. How else will they keep their Cocoa-Cola cold?

xoxoxoBruce · 06-01-2008, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

Tombstone has a good point Bruce. Also, given that the governments of both countries have little to no control in the logging areas of the rainforest at present (hence the call for other countries to refuse the import of hardwoods) it seems likely the tribe will be assimilated into generator dependency within the next ten years. How else will they keep their Cocoa-Cola cold?

It's their only chance. If the governments of Peru and Brazil do nothing, these people are definitely fucked, in the next ten years. The only way they might do something, is making the governments, and the World, aware of these tribes.

Oafed · 06-02-2008, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

The only way they might do something, is making the governments, and the World, aware of these tribes.

Hence the need to get some rangers or seals to go hide a bunch of cameras and turn them into a international reality show!

Easy · 06-01-2008, 08:48 PM

Clearly the best course of action is to make them into a reality TV show.

Drop a Coke bottle containing a camera into their village and see if they go all "Gods must be crazy".

smoothmoniker · 06-02-2008, 11:15 AM

What's their infant mortality rate? How many of them die of starvation when local food is scarce and traded food is unavailable? How many die of diseases long since cured by modern medicine?

Every one of those deaths are people sacrificed to the idea of cultural purity. What's the preventable death count that we're willing to force on them by refusing contact?

These people aren't a science experiment in post-colonialism white European guilt. The are people, and have a right to shared benefits of human advancement.

spudcon · 06-02-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by smoothmoniker

What's their infant mortality rate? How many of them die of starvation when local food is scarce and traded food is unavailable? How many die of diseases long since cured by modern medicine?

Every one of those deaths are people sacrificed to the idea of cultural purity. What's the preventable death count that we're willing to force on them by refusing contact?

These people aren't a science experiment in post-colonialism white European guilt. The are people, and have a right to shared benefits of human advancement.

If you go in there, you'll probably be their food.

jinx · 06-02-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by smoothmoniker

Every one of those deaths are people sacrificed to the idea of cultural purity. What's the preventable death count that we're willing to force on them by refusing contact?

How many advanced humans slip/fall/die in their showers everyday? Car crashes? Mall shootings?
Maybe these people should come save us!

HungLikeJesus · 06-02-2008, 11:34 AM

Why should we be obligated to contact them? It's their turn to call.

Clodfobble · 06-02-2008, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by spudcon

If you go in there, you'll probably be their food.

Wait, I thought we were avoiding them for their own good. Now you tell me it's actually for our own good?

06-01-2008, 03:21 AM	#1
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06-01-2008, 06:36 AM	#2
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06-01-2008, 12:54 PM	#3
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	I think it makes sense to leave these people in their original state. I mean, we want to leave unlogged forests and shit, right? Why not leave a culture that sprang from that hopefully virginal arboreta? There's a theory that goes something along the lines of "How will we know how shit is supposed to work if we fuck with it before we've learned everything about it?" I think leaving these people relatively unsullied falls under that heading. Besides, they've now got some bitchin' new tales to tell around the fire about how Og chased off the flying monster with his mighty bow and magickal incantations. I mean, its not like they've got scriptwriters standing by to go on strike like we do... __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

06-01-2008, 07:42 PM	#7
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Tombstone has a good point Bruce. Also, given that the governments of both countries have little to no control in the logging areas of the rainforest at present (hence the call for other countries to refuse the import of hardwoods) it seems likely the tribe will be assimilated into generator dependency within the next ten years. How else will they keep their Cocoa-Cola cold? __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

06-02-2008, 11:15 AM	#11
smoothmoniker to live and die in LA Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,090	What's their infant mortality rate? How many of them die of starvation when local food is scarce and traded food is unavailable? How many die of diseases long since cured by modern medicine? Every one of those deaths are people sacrificed to the idea of cultural purity. What's the preventable death count that we're willing to force on them by refusing contact? These people aren't a science experiment in post-colonialism white European guilt. The are people, and have a right to shared benefits of human advancement. __________________ to live and die in LA

06-01-2008, 01:37 PM	#4
tombstone Disorderly Orderly Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 53	Point one: Seems to me all discussions about what is "best" for them are moot, if coming into contact with us is going to kill off 50% of them due to lack of immunity to our diseases. Point two: Seems to me that showing their pictures and pinpointing their locations--"Here they are! Let them alone!"--is tantamount to screaming "Don't think of feathers!" Doomed, either way.

06-01-2008, 07:02 PM	#6
tombstone Disorderly Orderly Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 53	I wish I could concur. Unfortunately, the Brazilian government took the pictures, and allowed as to how this tribe is on the boarder with Peru and threated with Peru's logging. I can't feel optimistic for them.

06-01-2008, 08:48 PM	#10
Easy Rapscallion Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5	Clearly the best course of action is to make them into a reality TV show. Drop a Coke bottle containing a camera into their village and see if they go all "Gods must be crazy".

06-02-2008, 11:34 AM	#14
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	Why should we be obligated to contact them? It's their turn to call. __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

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