PETA

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

PETA was founded, and is run by, a woman.

That doesn't mean that she, or the members of her staff, don't hate women. In fact, I'm getting the idea that they prefer animals to anyone..this includes women.

I think the commercial makes their values very clear. They were very proud of it whilst everyone else was f'ing disgusted.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Cicero

That doesn't mean that she, or the members of her staff, don't hate women. In fact, I'm getting the idea that they prefer animals to anyone..this includes women.

I think the commercial makes their values very clear. They were very proud of it whilst everyone else was f'ing disgusted.

I don't think they hate women, they are just more than willing degrade them, or anyone else, to promote their cause. I agree they value animals more than people, I even think they have stated so. Something like the animals need protecting and people can fend for themselves. Obviously a twisted bunch.

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I don't think they hate women, they are just more than willing degrade them, or anyone else, to promote their cause. I agree they value animals more than people, I even think they have stated so. Something like the animals need protecting and people can fend for themselves. Obviously a twisted bunch.

#1 Sign of a woman hater..Someone willing to degrade them in such a visually detailed and costly manner, for the sake of an inane arguement. Yes. The fact that they hate everyone is more acccurate, but they didn't take such pains to evidence that, than in this case.

xob loves my cock!! (edit malfunction)

[Sundae]

Can't see the ad
All I can read is the bad spelling (on both sides of the argument).

A cull is in order!

[Cloud]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

This idiot said she cares more about horses in any event in the industry, not to just include racing, than the reputation and livelyhood of the jockey who rode the horse "8 Bells".

This statement troubles me a bit, because on the relative scale of things I think she's right. We're talking about the practice of an entire industry and the mistreatment of thousands of animals v. one guy's suspension. I tend to agree that the scales tip in favor of the animals here--after all, they're not breeding dangerous unstable physiology into jockeys.

That said, I don't think it's the jockey's fault--it's the industry and breeders as a whole, who are breeding animals with "ankles like glass" for their own amusement.

I don't like PETA's tactics, but I'm glad somebody is advocating for animals.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by Cloud

TThat said, I don't think it's the jockey's fault--it's the industry and breeders as a whole, who are breeding animals with "ankles like glass" for their own amusement.

And they are just chasing the money that we, the public, are throwing at them. And yet, if I went to the tracks or watched a race on TV, I wouldn't feel responsible for the horses, because I'm just a spectator.

[Cloud]

yes, that's a good point, glatt. Either way, the horses are suffering for people's greed. Put that way, the suspension of the jockey is an apt monetary punishment--although I think it would be better aimed at the owner of the horse.

[TheMercenary]

Bull shit. Stuff happens. This is the sport. They can protest all they want but why allow their idiocy affect the behaivor of a hundreds year old sport. More PC gone wild. Just tell the PETA people that they don't have to come to the track and bet.

[Cloud]

a hundreds year old sport? try thousands, and those ancestral horses ran just fine without overbreeding and such severe instability. Sorry, but I can't agree.

[TheMercenary]

The idea that the horses are bred for skinny legs that do not support their weight in the races is a straw man argument foisted by the likes of PETA to make their case. I just don't buy it.

[Cloud]

well, I'm not going to support the peta people, because they are so out of line, but I don't understand how this could happen. why did both those horse's ankles just snap? why did Barbaro's ankles shatter? the "ankles like glass" comment didn't come from the peta people (it came from another news story, which I can't find right now). The racing industry is saying, "well that just happens. horses have always gotten hurt." I'm not sure I buy that either.

just trying to understand. I was even contemplating going one day to see the Kentucky Derby--now I'm not sure I want to. That would be a dream trip, and to have it end like that would be a nightmare.

[sweetwater]

My sister works at an equine facility (university veterinary hospital) and the vets maintain that humans trying to breed a faster horse have compromised the animal's basic structure, particularly skeletal development. Combine that with heavy training, running while carrying weight, and their immaturity spells doom for some of those animals.

Of course, the vets generally only see horses that are harmed by racing, but I tend to believe that they are sincerely concerned.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by sweetwater

My sister works at an equine facility (university veterinary hospital) and the vets maintain that humans trying to breed a faster horse have compromised the animal's basic structure, particularly skeletal development. Combine that with heavy training, running while carrying weight, and their immaturity spells doom for some of those animals.

Of course, the vets generally only see horses that are harmed by racing, but I tend to believe that they are sincerely concerned.

My brother is an equine surgeon in Charolette, NC. He has been working on horse for 20 years, including race horses. He says it this idea that the animal in question was not prepared or capable of racing is overblown and that the notion that they are being bread out of proportion is incorrect.

[Drax]

Anyone remember this?

Parts 1, 2, & 3:




I like my cats and my dogs, and would never want anything happen to them, but at the same time, I know that the animals are basically running the same risks humans are. We're just as much part of the food chain as they are, and there is almost no difference in testing on animals and testing on humans.

[Sundae]

Thanks Drax - interesting if slightly too strident for my taste.