The Federal Government Has No Immigration Powers

[TheMercenary]

[Radar]

[lookout123]

Ohoh, I get it! You're saying that anyone who doesn't support illegal immigration is a racist! Good argument, sir.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by lookout123

Ohoh, I get it! You're saying that anyone who doesn't support illegal immigration is a racist! Good argument, sir.

I didn't say that, but a huge percentage are, if not most. Those are photos from actual minuteman and SOS gatherings.

[lookout123]

and if i posted a picture of a fat, drunk mexican stealing hubcaps would i be more or less guilty of stereotyping than you?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by lookout123

and if i posted a picture of a fat, drunk mexican stealing hubcaps would i be more or less guilty of stereotyping than you?

How about we just post pictures of illegal immigrants filling prisons.

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by Radar

I didn't say that, but a huge percentage are, if not most.

ORLY?!?

Where are your statistics?

New poll!

[Cicero]

Thanks lookout. I didn't want to be the first to disagree again.

[lookout123]

I only got it because I'm white. and shave my head. and am strongly against illegal immigration. so obviously i'm racist.

[TheMercenary]

Immigration Issue Centers : Immigration & Society

Criminal Aliens

The criminal alien problem is growing.

Criminal aliens—non-citizens who commit crimes—are a growing threat to public safety and national security, as well as a drain on our scarce criminal justice resources. In 1980, our federal and state prisons housed fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens. By the end of 1999, these same prisons housed over 68,000 criminal aliens.1 Today, criminal aliens account for over 29 percent of prisoners in Federal Bureau of Prisons facilities and a higher share of all federal prison inmates.2 These prisoners represent the fastest growing segment of the federal prison population. Over the past five years, an average of more than 72,000 aliens have been arrested annually on drug charges alone. New issue paper.

Continued illegal immigration aggravates the problem.

Despite the Border Patrol making over one million apprehensions last year, they estimate they miss two or more illegal bordercrossers for every apprehension. Most enter for short periods, but there is an estimated net increase of about 300,000 a year from illegal bordercrossers who stay. An additional net increase of 200,000 comes from people who enter legally as nonimmigrants and then violate their status. Among the alien federal prisoners, over half (55 percent) were illegally in the United States at the time of their conviction.

Administering justice to criminal aliens costs the taxpayer dearly.
Incarceration of criminal aliens cost an estimated $624 million to state prisons (1999) and $891 million to federal prisons (2002), according to the most recent available figure from the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

The New York State Senate Committee on Cities estimates that the annual criminal justice costs for criminal aliens in New York is $270 million. The Committee has called for a national moratorium on immigration to help alleviate this problem.3 According to the Illinois Governor’s Office, Illinois spends over $40 million just on the incarceration of criminal aliens. The cost to Florida’s judicial and correction system for criminal aliens was $73 million in 1993. 4 In 1988, there were 5,500 illegal immigrants in California’s prisons. By fiscal year 1994- 1995, that is estimated to have increased to more than 18,000 illegal immigrants in state prisons—a three-fold increase. California taxpayers have spent over a billion dollars in the last five years to keep these convicted felons in prison, and the FY 9495 cost of incarcerating these offenders exceeded $375 million.5 The federal government has begun to reimburse heavily alien-impacted states for some of the costs of illegal alien prisoners in their state prisons. For 1996, Congress appropriated $300 million for this program.

Many criminal aliens are released into our society to commit crimes again.

Too often, criminal aliens are not identified in local and state jails, the INS is not informed of their presence, detention facilities are not available when they are released, they fail to report for deportation, or they return to the United States after deportation. In March 2000, Congress made public Department of Justice statistics showing that, over the previous five years, the INS had released over 35,000 criminal aliens instead of deporting them. Over 11,000 of those released went on to commit serious crimes, over 1,800 of which were violent ones (including 98 homicides, 142 sexual assaults, and 44 kidnappings). In 2001, thanks to a decision by the Supreme Court, the INS was forced to release into our society over 3,000 criminal aliens (who collectively had been convicted of 125 homicides, 387 sex offenses, and 772 assault charges).6

What can be done?
We must secure our borders. Denying jobs to illegal aliens through a centralized secure identity verification system is important to that effort.

We must assure that the criminal conviction of an alien leads to deportation and permanent exclusion from the United States.
Asylum applicants should be screened expeditiously and excluded if their claims are not credible. Even if they appear to have credible claims, they should be detained until background checks are done.
Other corrective measures include greater INS and local government cooperation to identify criminal aliens, additional detention facilities for those in deportation proceedings, and improved databases and screening procedures to identify deported aliens if they try to return here either overtly or surreptitiously.

Other aliens not included in this total include immigrants who have become U.S. citizens (not included in the federal prison data), aliens being held for trial and some awaiting deportation but not convicted in the United States, e.g., the Cuban Marielitos.

National Institute of Corrections, Federal Bureau of Prisons, June 2003.
“Our Teeming Shore,” New York State Senate Committee on Cities, Sen. Frank Padavan, Chr.; Jan. 1994.
“The Unfair Burden: Immigration’s Impact on Florida,” Executive Office of the Governor; March 1994.
“California’s Illegal Immigration Costs: A Call for Federal Leadership,” Office of the Governor; 1994.
Zadvydas v. Davis (U.S. 2001).
Updated 10/02

http://www.fairus.org/

[Cicero]

If you look at all three photos, it's the same fringe group of racists.....I don't base my stats. on one group do I?

I know a lot of people that don't agree with illegal immigration. And I don't know any racists...

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Cicero

If you look at all three photos, it's the same fringe group of racists.....I don't base my stats. on one group do I?

I know a lot of people that don't agree with illegal immigration. And I don't know any racists...

If you can't find the racist in the room, it's probably you. Also, there is no illegal immigration in America. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.

I don't think anyone wants illegal immigration in America, not even the undocumented and legal immigrants who are accused of being "illegals" by racists, idiots, and xenophobes.

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by Radar

If you can't find the racist in the room, it's probably you.

No, 'dar, I don't spend my time "finding" racists. Maybe if you spend your time finding racists in rooms, it's probably you. Being a maniac. Obssessed with the idea that all whiteys are racists.

Oh illegal immigration does exist my dear, to your chagrin!



Oh, and try to insinuate that I am a racist again, and see what happens, you ***-**** ****-****.

That makes me angry. As you can see. Not because "because it's true" kind of angry. The angry that says that "you don't know what the fuck you are talking about" kind of angry.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Cicero

No, 'dar, I don't spend my time "finding" racists. Maybe if you spend your time finding racists in rooms, it's probably you. Being a maniac. Obssessed with the idea that all whiteys are racists.

That's a racist comment. I have never said that "all" of anyone are anything. I've said that a large percentage (perhaps the majority) of those who support the blatantly unconstitutional federal immigration laws in America are racist...and yes, they absolutely are without any doubt, 100% unconstitutional and anyone who says otherwise is a liar or an idiot.

Originally Posted by Cicero

Oh illegal immigration does exist my dear, to your chagrin!

Yes, illegal immigration does exist, just not in America where our founders didn't grant the federal government any authority to create or enforce immigration laws and where they actually prohibited the federal government from doing so.

Originally Posted by Cicero

Oh, and try to insinuate that I am a racist again, and see what happens, you ***-**** ****-****.

You'll cry?

The fact remains that all federal immigration laws and the departments who enforce them are 100% unconstitutional...PERIOD. This means that those who accuse undocumented and completely legal immigrants who come here of being "illegals", they are doing so because they are...

A) Stupid

B) Racist

or

C) Liars

You are one of these. If I was wrong with racist, you're probably just stupid or a liar, or hell, you could be all three.

Originally Posted by Cicero

That makes me angry. As you can see. Not because "because it's true" kind of angry. The angry that says that "you don't know what the fuck you are talking about" kind of angry.

I know how you feel. I am used to seeing that every time some idiot claims undocumented immigration is illegal or posts bogus statistics from fake or racist organizations like fairus.org or loudobbs.com, etc

None of these people has any fucking clue what they are talking about.

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by Radar

You'll cry?

The fact remains that all federal immigration laws and the departments who enforce them are 100% unconstitutional...PERIOD. This means that those who accuse undocumented and completely legal immigrants who come here of being "illegals", they are doing so because they are...

A) Stupid

B) Racist

or

C) Liars

You are one of these. If I was wrong with racist, you're probably just stupid or a liar, or hell, you could be all three.

What's that you whining little bitch? You forgot the third option:

D) Not stupid enough, liar enough, or racist enough to fall for any of your shit.

You are sitting there with your thumb directly up your ass. That doesn't make me any of those choices.