Did we just declare a financial War on Iran? - Page 5

Urbane Guerrilla · 04-25-2008, 01:07 PM

Depends on just how necessary you think a cross-border enforcement arm really is.

Libertarian though I am, I think an army is still a necessity, particularly as long as anyone else out there does too. It's analogous to a deer's antlers: they have an appreciable metabolic cost to the rest of the deer, but they are a protection to the integrity of the rest of the body. In this, an army's societal function is most like that of the police. Either sees use in restoring order, regardless of who or what might disturb it nor how much. Where an army differs from a police force is that it transfers destruction, from its home precincts to foreign areas. Police forces are not constituted to do that.

lookout123 · 04-25-2008, 01:57 PM

Joke guys. thus the

smilie. not much of a pacifist myself, if you've read any of my previous posts.

TheMercenary · 04-25-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

Joke guys. thus the

smilie. not much of a pacifist myself, if you've read any of my previous posts.

Sorry about that, should have know better [sarc]lookout[/asm].

xoxoxoBruce · 04-25-2008, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

Joke guys. thus the

smilie. not much of a pacifist myself, if you've read any of my previous posts.

Well theoretically, you're not that far off. But I'm sure glad they're thugging for me and not the other guys.

Griff · 04-26-2008, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Well theoretically, you're not that far off. But I'm sure glad they're thugging for me and not the other guys.

You could argue that they are thugging for the other side when politicians make Bush decisions, which swell the ranks of the enemy. It isn't their fault, but their missuse does give aid and comfort.

TheMercenary · 04-28-2008, 02:52 PM

"thugging" as a description is a bit over the top, theoretically or not.

TheMercenary · 05-05-2008, 08:34 AM

May 5, 2008
Hezbollah Trains Iraqis in Iran, Officials Say
By MICHAEL R. GORDON
BAGHDAD — Militants from the Lebanese group Hezbollah have been training Iraqi militia fighters at a camp near Tehran, according to American interrogation reports that the United States has supplied to the Iraqi government.

An American official said the account of Hezbollah’s role was provided by four Shiite militia members who were captured in Iraq late last year and questioned separately.

The United States has long charged that the Iranians were training Iraqi militia fighters in Iran, which Iran has consistently denied, and there have been previous reports about Hezbollah operatives in Iraq.

But the Americans say the reports of Hezbollah’s role at the Iranian camp offer important details about Iranian assistance to the militias, including efforts Iran appears to be making to train the fighters in unobtrusive ways.

Material from the interrogations was given to the Iraqi government, along with other data about captured Iranian arms, before it sent a delegation to Tehran last week to discuss allegations of Iranian aid to militia groups.

It is not known if the delegation confronted its Iranian hosts with the information, or how the Iranians responded.

Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki’s government announced Sunday that it would conduct its own inquiry into accusations of Iranian intervention in Iraq and document any interference.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/05/wo...hp&oref=slogin

classicman · 05-05-2008, 02:36 PM

Why did we give this info to the Iraqi Gov't? They aren't doing anything as it is other than take our money? Does our leadership expect this "fledgling gov't" to take some action? Perhaps initiate sactions?
Attack them and destroy the camp? What is it we anticipate them doing with this knowledge?

TheMercenary · 05-05-2008, 03:04 PM

My guess is was released to assist the US in providing international political pressure on Iran. I don't think it is going to make a rats ass difference. All it does is confirm what most of us already know, that Iran is in this up to their necks. When I read this kind of stuff it makes me want to say screw them and all of those people. You don't want to help us out, fine, we pull out lock stock and barrel and let the blood bath begin. We can just give the Iraqi's a few nuclear weapons to drop on Iran. Let em have at it. No one gives a crap if Iran is directly involved in the killing of US troops. No one. They get a pass.

classicman · 05-05-2008, 03:54 PM

Iran is not the only country. Arguable the greatest threat to the U.S. is the Saudi's and you never see a peep about them. Iran is just an easier target.

TheMercenary · 05-05-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Iran is not the only country. Arguable the greatest threat to the U.S. is the Saudi's and you never see a peep about them. Iran is just an easier target.

I do not believe the representative government of SA is knowingly training people to kill US service people in Iraq.

headsplice · 06-04-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I do not believe the representative government of SA is knowingly training people to kill US service people in Iraq.

Are you saying Saudi Arabia has a representative government, or that the political entity of the SA government hasn't trained people to kill Americans?
The first is definitely false, though I'm pretty sure that isn't what you're saying.
The second is tentatively false, in that the SA government allowed radical Muslim schools to be set up to help control the populace by directing their anger at Americans. People who attended those schools have definitely cause problems.
Also, Ahmadinejad isn't the one that controls the country. His fiery rhetoric can't be backed up without the approval of lots of very conservative folks (conservative as in won't do things to destabilize their power).

TheMercenary · 06-04-2008, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by headsplice

Are you saying Saudi Arabia has a representative government, or that the political entity of the SA government hasn't trained people to kill Americans?
The first is definitely false, though I'm pretty sure that isn't what you're saying.
The second is tentatively false, in that the SA government allowed radical Muslim schools to be set up to help control the populace by directing their anger at Americans. People who attended those schools have definitely cause problems.
Also, Ahmadinejad isn't the one that controls the country. His fiery rhetoric can't be backed up without the approval of lots of very conservative folks (conservative as in won't do things to destabilize their power).

Yea, that would be like saying the US has allowed terrorists train on US soil as they attended flight school before hitting the towers on 9/11. Doesn't hold water.

piercehawkeye45 · 05-05-2008, 05:07 PM

Most actually come from Syria's border. This is a biased source but there cold facts are usually pretty good. Long read though.

http://meria.idc.ac.il/journal/2007/.../jv11no4a5.asp

classicman · 05-05-2008, 11:46 PM

You'd be surprised what they are apparently up to, Merc...

04-25-2008, 01:07 PM	#1
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Depends on just how necessary you think a cross-border enforcement arm really is. Libertarian though I am, I think an army is still a necessity, particularly as long as anyone else out there does too. It's analogous to a deer's antlers: they have an appreciable metabolic cost to the rest of the deer, but they are a protection to the integrity of the rest of the body. In this, an army's societal function is most like that of the police. Either sees use in restoring order, regardless of who or what might disturb it nor how much. Where an army differs from a police force is that it transfers destruction, from its home precincts to foreign areas. Police forces are not constituted to do that. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

04-25-2008, 01:57 PM	#2
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	Joke guys. thus the smilie. not much of a pacifist myself, if you've read any of my previous posts. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

04-28-2008, 02:52 PM	#6
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	"thugging" as a description is a bit over the top, theoretically or not. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

05-05-2008, 08:34 AM	#7
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	May 5, 2008 Hezbollah Trains Iraqis in Iran, Officials Say By MICHAEL R. GORDON BAGHDAD — Militants from the Lebanese group Hezbollah have been training Iraqi militia fighters at a camp near Tehran, according to American interrogation reports that the United States has supplied to the Iraqi government. An American official said the account of Hezbollah’s role was provided by four Shiite militia members who were captured in Iraq late last year and questioned separately. The United States has long charged that the Iranians were training Iraqi militia fighters in Iran, which Iran has consistently denied, and there have been previous reports about Hezbollah operatives in Iraq. But the Americans say the reports of Hezbollah’s role at the Iranian camp offer important details about Iranian assistance to the militias, including efforts Iran appears to be making to train the fighters in unobtrusive ways. Material from the interrogations was given to the Iraqi government, along with other data about captured Iranian arms, before it sent a delegation to Tehran last week to discuss allegations of Iranian aid to militia groups. It is not known if the delegation confronted its Iranian hosts with the information, or how the Iranians responded. Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki’s government announced Sunday that it would conduct its own inquiry into accusations of Iranian intervention in Iraq and document any interference. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/05/wo...hp&oref=slogin __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

05-05-2008, 02:36 PM	#8
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Why did we give this info to the Iraqi Gov't? They aren't doing anything as it is other than take our money? Does our leadership expect this "fledgling gov't" to take some action? Perhaps initiate sactions? Attack them and destroy the camp? What is it we anticipate them doing with this knowledge? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

05-05-2008, 03:04 PM	#9
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	My guess is was released to assist the US in providing international political pressure on Iran. I don't think it is going to make a rats ass difference. All it does is confirm what most of us already know, that Iran is in this up to their necks. When I read this kind of stuff it makes me want to say screw them and all of those people. You don't want to help us out, fine, we pull out lock stock and barrel and let the blood bath begin. We can just give the Iraqi's a few nuclear weapons to drop on Iran. Let em have at it. No one gives a crap if Iran is directly involved in the killing of US troops. No one. They get a pass. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

05-05-2008, 03:54 PM	#10
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Iran is not the only country. Arguable the greatest threat to the U.S. is the Saudi's and you never see a peep about them. Iran is just an easier target. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

05-05-2008, 05:07 PM	#14
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Most actually come from Syria's border. This is a biased source but there cold facts are usually pretty good. Long read though. http://meria.idc.ac.il/journal/2007/.../jv11no4a5.asp __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

05-05-2008, 11:46 PM	#15
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	You'd be surprised what they are apparently up to, Merc... __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

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