Impeding changes to our Health Care system

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

And as the graph further indicates, the Ds (and earlier Rs) used the cloture/filibuster much less often when in the minority than the current R minority.

There are also more MAJOR issues going on now, wouldn't you say? I'm not defending either party's actions.

[TheMercenary]

Ha. Why of course. Bush and the Republickins were very wrong when they did it and screwed everyone. But when the Savior and the Demoncrats do it is is ok. Freaking Hipocrites. It is because of attitudes like that....

[Happy Monkey]

Emma's gone, so Merc feels the need to pick up the slack..

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Emma's gone, so Merc feels the need to pick up the slack..

http://www.cellar.org/showpost.php?p...9&postcount=33

http://www.cellar.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=424

Because you disagree? Why do you hate people who disagree with you? Why in the world would you even put me in that same class? I really had more respect for your opinion than that. Obviously I was wrong.

I thought you bleeding hearts thought that dissent was a good thing. As long as they agree with your opinion, right?

[TheMercenary]

Oh No! are you offended?!?!?!

[Happy Monkey]

No.

[TheMercenary]

Cool! Check this out...

[Happy Monkey]

Disagreement is irrelevant. I was referring to repetitive contentless posts and stupid pictures.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

....Why do you hate people who disagree with you? Why in the world would you even put me in that same class? I really had more respect for your opinion than that. Obviously I was wrong.

I thought you bleeding hearts thought that dissent was a good thing. As long as they agree with your opinion, right?

Wow...just wow!

Talk about an over-reaction with all the pics and the new "you're un-American" rhetoric!

To question the manner in which another member posts, not the substance of that person's opinion nor any reference to that person's character, is now un-American or somehow against dissent.

Seriously, Merc. I know you dont care what I think, but take a look at yourself and see how you do exactly what you criticize others of doing...and, IMO, more.

I dont think I did anything wrong by describing your "scumbag" characterization of Democrats or your endless partisan opinion columns as spam. It was not a personal attack or an attack on your character, but what, IMO, represented the manner in which you "contribute" to discussions.

But in the spirit of comity, I will refrain from the "spam" label if it results in such an over-reaction.

[TheMercenary]

It is a failed bill. They rushed the process to please The Savior. Now they have given the insurance companies a golden egg and allowed them to help craft the legislation. And as with the whorish spending bill in Feb, the final version is being crafted in secret with no bipartisan input. I am actually looking forward to the final bill.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

It is a failed bill. They rushed the process to please The Savior....

*sigh" some things will never change around here.

Please get over "The Savior" nonsense. It is obvious to all that only those who disagree with Obama resort to that rhetoric.

Now they have given the insurance companies a golden egg and allowed them to help craft the legislation.

The insurance industry has spent $millions in lobbying to oppose the bill and $millions more recently, as it becomes closer to reality, in media campaigns against the bill.

I am actually looking forward to the final bill.

SO am I.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

*sigh" some things will never change around here.

Please get over "The Savior" nonsense. It is obvious to all that only those who disagree with Obama resort to that rhetoric.

Ok, then why the rush to get it done by the end of the year. The most historic change and increase in taxes to partially fund "healthcare for all"? So the Congress could get home before Christmas?

The insurance industry has spent $millions in lobbying to oppose the bill and $millions more recently, as it becomes closer to reality, in media campaigns against the bill.

Half harted attempts. Why did Bacus let a insurance insider basically craft the bill for him? An industry that I have no doubt she will return to when this is over at what will most likely be a heafty income.

SO am I.

Me too, so I can point out it's failures.


Eight clips of Obama promising a public and open debate on healthcare.

http://www.breitbart.tv/the-c-span-l...-negotiations/

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Ok, then why the rush to get it done by the end of the year.

Because if you don't set a deadline, it won't happen. Evah. Have you noticed the urgency the Iraqi government has in taking over their own security? No? Maybe because there's no deadline.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Because if you don't set a deadline, it won't happen. Evah. Have you noticed the urgency the Iraqi government has in taking over their own security? No? Maybe because there's no deadline.

That was not the case and it was all the talk in Washington. They did it because Obamy wanted done before the end of the year. So now they have a shit bill that still leaves some 12 million people uncovered. Great job.

[TheMercenary]

Well this event has been a source of topic around the hospitals I work at for the last week or so. And more and more people agree they are just going to opt out of the care of these patients in their offices. They will still have to care for them in the hospitals, they just are going to no longer take on new patients or allow them to have lower cost care in the surgicenters and treatment centers. And the beat goes on.....

“Look at what the Mayo Clinic is able to do,’’ the president proclaimed at a rally in September. “It’s got the best quality and the lowest cost of just about any system in the country. . . . We want to help the whole country learn from what Mayo is doing.’’ On the White House website, you can find more than a dozen examples of Obama’s esteem.

So perhaps the president will give some thought to the clinic’s recent decision to stop accepting Medicare payments at its primary care facility in Glendale, Ariz. More than 3,000 patients will have to start paying cash if they wish to continue being seen by doctors at the clinic; those unable or unwilling to do so must look for new physicians. For now, Mayo is limiting the change in policy to its Glendale facility. But it may be just a matter of time before it drops Medicare at its other facilities in Arizona, Florida, and Minnesota as well.

Why would an institution renowned for providing health care of “the best quality and the lowest cost’’ choose to sever its ties with the government’s flagship single-payer insurance program? Because the relationship is one it can’t afford. Last year, the Mayo Clinic lost $840 million on its Medicare patients. At the Glendale clinic, a Mayo spokesman told Bloomberg News, Medicare reimbursements covered only 50 percent of the cost of treating elderly primary-care patients. Not even the leanest, most efficient medical organization can keep doing business with a program that compels it to eat half its costs.

In breaking away from Medicare, the Mayo Clinic is hardly blazing a trail. In 2008, the independent Medicare Payment Advisory Commission reported that 29 percent of Medicare beneficiaries - more than 1 in 4 - have trouble finding a primary-care doctor willing to treat them. A survey by the Texas Medical Association that year found that only 38 percent of the state’s primary-care physicians were accepting new Medicare patients.

But if you think that sounds grim, wait until Congress enacts the president’s health care overhaul. A central element of both the House and Senate versions of ObamaCare is that Medicare reimbursements to hospitals and doctors - already so low that many providers lose money each time they treat a Medicare patient - will be forced lower still.

The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, a branch of the US Department of Health and Human Services, estimated last month that the Senate bill would squeeze $493 billion out of Medicare over the next 10 years. As a result, it cautioned, “providers for whom Medicare constitutes a substantive portion of their business could find it difficult to remain profitable and . . . might end their participation in the program (possibly jeopardizing access to care for beneficiaries).’’ In short, the Democratic understanding of health care reform - more government power to set prices, combined with reduced freedom for individuals - will make medical care harder to come by: an Economics 101 lesson in the pitfalls of price controls.

Nearly six months ago, the Mayo Clinic tried to sound an alarm. Instead of making American health care better and more affordable, it warned, the legislation working its way through Congress “will do the opposite’’ and “the real losers will be the citizens of the United States.’’

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...e_mayo_clinic/