Scouts get pwned

[Sundae]

Certainly when I was in the Brownies (pre-Guides in the UK) I knew other Brownies in an all-Catholic pack. They held their meetings in the Catholic church hall and drew most of their girls from two Catholics schools. We lived ad went to school over the other side of town, so we just went to the local vaguely C of E pack.

[Happy Monkey]

It's true that local troops and councils will have varying (down to near-zero) amounts of Mormon control, and for the most part they are relatively independent, but the Mormons have great control of the national organization and 12% of the total Scout population.

If a local council, as in the example in the original post, does something that the National Council doesn't like, they can be smacked down.

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

It's true that local troops and councils will have varying (down to near-zero) amounts of Mormon control, and for the most part they are relatively independent, but the Mormons have great control of the national organization and 12% of the total Scout population.

If a local council, as in the example in the original post, does something that the National Council doesn't like, they can be smacked down.

If there are 0% or 5% Mormons in the area where the council is then the council is going to have 0 Mormons on the ruling committee and that is exactly how much control the Mormons are going to exact.
I live in Central Florida, Gulf Ridge Council, and I promise you there may be two Mormon churches with one VERY small troop with no seated representation on the Council.
The same is true of any sect.

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

It's true that local troops and councils will have varying (down to near-zero) amounts of Mormon control, and for the most part they are relatively independent, but the Mormons have great control of the national organization and 12% of the total Scout population.

If a local council, as in the example in the original post, does something that the National Council doesn't like, they can be smacked down.

If National ever finds out about it. 12% is not very impressive.
But, the Scouts are corrupt, I agree. If I told you my history with them you would not believe me and I am not because some will just use it anyway.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

If there are 0% or 5% Mormons in the area where the council is then the council is going to have 0 Mormons on the ruling committee and that is exactly how much control the Mormons are going to exact.

No, that's how much local control they'll exact. The national council will still have some, which is why I said "near zero".

If National ever finds out about it. 12% is not very impressive.

They did find out about it, and 12% is very impressive when they make a threat to pick up and leave.

If I told you my history with them you would not believe me

I probably would. I worked for them one summer.

[Elspode]

I like it when hypocrites get pwned.

Does it strike anyone else as funny that this comes in the City of Brotherly Love?

[Crimson Ghost]

Originally Posted by Elspode

I like it when hypocrites get pwned.

Does it strike anyone else as funny that this comes in the City of Brotherly Love?

City of Brotherly Love...
Gay Scouts...
The Scouts have a "Homosexual Incest" badge?

[Clodfobble]

Yes, many local councils will be completely Mormon-free. However, from Happy Monkey's link:

The Latter-day Saints constitute less than 2% of the U.S. population but 21% of the boys in the core Boy Scouts program, more than any other group...

The Latter-day Saints have been instrumental in helping defeat pro-gay initiatives in at least three states...

Today nearly 10% of the members of the Boy Scouts Advisory Council live in Salt Lake City, Utah...

Mormons have sway in the policies of National Council, and the National Council can overturn local council decisions, as they did in this recent Philly case:

The [local] council adopted a nondiscrimination policy in 2003 but was ordered to revoke it by the National Council, which said local chapters cannot deviate from national rules barring participation by anyone who is openly gay.

[richlevy]

Mormons control a significant percentage of all Boy Scout troops; if policies change to treat gays and atheists equally, the Mormons will walk - taking all of their money with them.

Well, if the Mormons do decide that the Boy Scouts have become too inclusive of gays and need to find a youth organization to take over that has a better track record of anti-gay leanings, they could always bring back the Hitler Youth.

Heck they could save money that way by being able to keep the brown shirts.

[Cyber Wolf]

What is it about old(er) men and young(er) boys? You've got the Catholic priesthood (most famously at least), school locker rooms and male-centric organizations, like Boy Scouts. And prison, to an extent.

Do nuns just never attempt to diddle little girls? Do they just get away with it better? I was a Girl Scout back in the day and I don't ever remember any Girl Scout-focused tales floating around like the one about tying a shoestring to your bits while camping as a "TAKE ME!" signal to the authoritative figure. Did those stories manage to miss me? I also don't remember any scandals involving female coaches 'showing their athletes how to shower'. Sure, you hear about she-teachers bedding a male students, but you don't hear about them bedding female ones. Is there just more discretion between both parties?

[tw]

Originally Posted by Cyber Wolf

Sure, you hear about she-teachers bedding a male students, but you don't hear about them bedding female ones. Is there just more discretion between both parties?

Boy Scouts of America banned gay scout leaders because emotions (and not facts) were behind their logic. We are now learning that the Boy Scouts knew of thousands of pedophile scout leaders and did nothing. Just like the Catholic Church.

Sexual predators come mostly from one group. Not women. Not gays. Most sexual predators are otherwise called heterosexual males. How this plays out in research remains unknown. But pedophiles are often a same sexual subgroup that most aggressively mocks or condemns homosexuals.

[toranokaze]

I think it is a power thing wolf.

I hate the scouts they act like they own the federal/state parks.

[Getgo]

Mitt Romney is responsible for this madness.

[footfootfoot]

Makes sense to me. Most gay male adults aren't interested in little boys sexually, it's usually the straight males with families.

So the predators will be allowed to remain, and will have more sheep in their flocks.

Sort of a win-win-lose situation. They probably should have just gone with DADT.

[footfootfoot]

Agreed. Lamp puts it much more insightfully than my cynical, sarcastic reply.

I need to work on my sincerity.

[glatt]

Segregation is already happening along race. I'm not sure it's a bad thing though. There was one black kid in my son's Cub Scout den. Only child of a single mom. He was treated well in that den, but always had more problems than many of the other boys staying focused and on task, so he was often singled out for "hey, pay attention" type reminders. He wasn't the only one getting those reminders, but he got them consistently. He seemed to mostly have a good time though.

When it came time to join a Boy Scout troop, he found an all black one on the south side of town. At first I was almost offended, like he thought the troops in his neighborhood weren't good enough for him, but then I figured it was probably really good for him to be getting a whole bunch of positive male role models he could identify with. It would be good for him to see people who looks like him succeeding at all the stuff scouts are supposed to learn.

I think it's very similar to the idea of an all woman's college where a woman can go and learn without being distracted or feeling like they need to compete with the men in the classroom. It's not for everybody, but it can be a good fit for some.